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Pappy -
As always, NICE work.
Just a tip: a pretty good Rule of Thumb on Radiator Duct Design:
Inlet area 1/6 area of radiator surface area. [From Walter Korff]

I suppose that is something that can be "trimmed" out - which is how I'm planning, a bit of foam, test(?) then 'glass in the shape. Nice catch on the leading edge "lips" on the Camaro's radiator "snorkels" - a nice homage to Dan.

Cheers - Jim

Thanks Jim,

I have a secondary divider (yellow) in the grill area in front of the radiator that diverts a portion of incoming area over the radiator and into duct work that goes to the TB. That divider is adjustable vertically, so it can be used to trim out the amount of air flowing to the radiator core.

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At 11:00 he talks about his radiator ducting.

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One more.

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A bit old and only has 1600 views, but sort of interesting.
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I guess with the lower speeds involved, he figures the big spoiler on the back is more effective than a wing. It would be interesting to see the downforce/drag vs mph.

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These guys post a lot of stuff on their product. One looked at radiator delta p.

This one looks at fender vents, but without the pumping effect of the tire it might not tell the whole story.

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This one looks at fender vents, but without the pumping effect of the tire it might not tell the whole story.

^^^^^^

Good point.
 
There is some information to be learned with a rotating wheel in the case - for sure. NOTE: the effectiveness of the wheel "Spats" on the flow around the wheel in any case. With the addition of air curtains - some significant evacuation could also be effected.

Also, with the open fender (at the rear - popular TimeAttack and prototype layout) there "might" be enough pressure differential to diminish any effects from a rotating tire. [I'll need to look at some other tunnel/tuft studies information to confirm that thought.]

I stumbled on the racelouvers.com site a while back and haven't had time (damn boat) to get through the pages of data they offer; Here is a quick look at the drop down menu:
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Enjoy! Lots to be seen there; cooling, fan shrouds, louvers, gurneys, etc.

Cheers - Jim

PS - I note the "earliest" Corvette served is a C4!
 
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This guy has dozens of these.
 
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1C1H_Mh4LQ[/ame]
 
This car is for sale, and some spent some money ( blower etc. ). But I think the wing is backwards. Good price actually.

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Not sure if this is just a computer rendering or a real kit car.

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No joy on TinEye... Who's posting? Some interesting aspects there. But, a "helper mirror?" Also PAX Side louvers look "Off."
Oh - found it! It is a "Rocket Bunny" one-off kit. (But listed on renderings pages- hmmm)
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...kit-might-look-like-a-jdm-special-142988.html.
Rear fenders and skirts are a lift from his "Smurf" Linked at the Auto Evolution article.

Cheers - Jim


I think the concept is pretty good. One of the better looking c4’s I’ve seen. Probably the biggest aero benefit is it covers extra wide wheels.
 
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No joy on TinEye... Who's posting? Some interesting aspects there. But, a "helper mirror?" Also PAX Side louvers look "Off."
Oh - found it! It is a "Rocket Bunny" one-off kit. (But listed on renderings pages- hmmm)
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...kit-might-look-like-a-jdm-special-142988.html.
Rear fenders and skirts are a lift from his "Smurf" Linked at the Auto Evolution article.

Cheers - Jim


I think the concept is pretty good. One of the better looking c4’s I’ve seen. Probably the biggest aero benefit is it covers extra wide wheels.

I like that, looks retro and modern at the same time. Stock C4's are pretty tired looking these days.

Is that a concept or an actual car?
 
There is this "version"
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AT this low angle shot - kinda reminds me of the Fiero. This is a "special order" kit and is $3150. No idea of quality - just looking (and curious too).
Just guessing - but at that price bet it is fenders, side skirts, lower bumper - and maybe the wing? Front fender flares are more a "traditional look " and not the SpeedHunter versions on the "Bunny." The rears have a cut-out, however:
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Details if you contact - kindly pass along anything if you do connect:
https://www.drifthq.com/products/by-bjork-v1-corvette-c4-bodykit-pre-order?variant=32568716132399

Cheers - Jim
 
I like it but, I think I'm good in the additional projects department. :crap:
 
At the end they all drive down as a group and high five the spectators. You get a good look at the cars.

That area is really breathtaking, nearby is a free park called garden of the gods.

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I've been interested in doing a couple subtle aero experiments on my antique. Most of the tracks I have the opportunity to run on are short/tight enough that my peak speeds are probably only about 130 mph, so aero drag issues aren't all that important to me. I'm generally happy to put up with a bit of extra aero drag if I can get some reduced lift (or added downforce if I get lucky). I've mentioned before (somewhere) that I'd like to install some minor hardware on the cowl area to cause air to stagnate (My understanding is that this is the more correct word) right in front of the windshield. While this will certainly increase drag (but come in handy in the braking zones), the added pressure in that area should add downforce in the center of the car (on both axles hopefully), and the extra air pressure should help feed the L88 airbox and engine, slightly helping to offset the extra drag. But so far, I haven't had time to come up with a design of this "piece" that would be reasonably inconspicuous on the car.

The second item, which may not work in conjunction with the above piece (due to the effective increase in frontal area from the stagnant air mass at the front of the windshield), is a vertical strip of aluminum or Lexan at the rear of the t-tops, forming a wickerbill. While this worsens the already poor airflow over the rear of an early C3, this increased pressure/force at the wickerbill would be between the axles, and hopefully reasonably negligible in the moment arm trying to lift the front axle.

I always like data, and I've got a low pressure gauge that should be able to read these small pressure changes in the event I get a chance to try these experiments.
 
I've been interested in doing a couple subtle aero experiments on my antique. Most of the tracks I have the opportunity to run on are short/tight enough that my peak speeds are probably only about 130 mph, so aero drag issues aren't all that important to me. I'm generally happy to put up with a bit of extra aero drag if I can get some reduced lift (or added downforce if I get lucky). I've mentioned before (somewhere) that I'd like to install some minor hardware on the cowl area to cause air to stagnate (My understanding is that this is the more correct word) right in front of the windshield. While this will certainly increase drag (but come in handy in the braking zones), the added pressure in that area should add downforce in the center of the car (on both axles hopefully), and the extra air pressure should help feed the L88 airbox and engine, slightly helping to offset the extra drag. But so far, I haven't had time to come up with a design of this "piece" that would be reasonably inconspicuous on the car.

The second item, which may not work in conjunction with the above piece (due to the effective increase in frontal area from the stagnant air mass at the front of the windshield), is a vertical strip of aluminum or Lexan at the rear of the t-tops, forming a wickerbill. While this worsens the already poor airflow over the rear of an early C3, this increased pressure/force at the wickerbill would be between the axles, and hopefully reasonably negligible in the moment arm trying to lift the front axle.

I always like data, and I've got a low pressure gauge that should be able to read these small pressure changes in the event I get a chance to try these experiments.
69427 -

I appreciate the chance to offer a few ideas on your plan. While I don't as of yet have a "up-and-running" 'vette - I soon will, and these aero questions are always welcome diversions and considerations for my build.
No doubt this is your concern:
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The gurney should be helpful in providing some additional downforce at the expense of some drag. Any downforce would be over the rear end and help eliminate any nose lift that might come from a wing further aft. Potentially a net gain, as you might be able to run a smaller splitter.

A problem with the Corvette (and most vehicles) is the roof often has a "roll-off" to each side. This is a styling issue and one that is less than helpful with regard to aero. This roll-off, can cause the flow to spill outwards (though not always due to the a-pillar vortex). Any loss of flow would reduce the efficiency of your installed device whether a Gurney - or wing. On a swept wing aircraft, the same thing happens, called span-wise flow. Span-wise flow decreases the overall lift. You could use an approach found on aircraft wing to A device to help increase the gurney efficiency. These would be fences - or strakes. would be attached to the roof. If you look at JPhil's pics : https://www.vettemod.com/threads/jphil-c3-aero.11847/

You'll note some slight air flow off at the edge of the roofline, but even more with the windows open. If nothing else, the fences are easily installed with 3m tape and removed - as could be the Gurney.

These have been used before on a C3 coupe (during the Silver State Race a few years back):

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I imagine the roll-off might be increase with the side windows open, as I imagine you are required when racing. I know SCCA does.

I have recently been researching this flow issue and as an adjunct, you could attach some similar strakes to the A-Pillars (clear lexan) to help the flow and simultaneously increase the pressure at the base of the windscreen. These should be sealed at the pillar for maximum effect.


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I previously have suggested that adding air to the rear deck could be very beneficial. I din't know the construction of pre 78 C3s and now see you might have an excellent opportunity to do just that. Here again as the side windows will be open (my guess) the Astro-Vent system will be of little benefit. Adding a blower - or 2 to the plenum and closing off the astro input to the plenum could give the extra flow I suggested. A bit more work than the gurneys however.
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For a wing, you could place a wing between the flying butresses so it just reaches above the roofline. You could create a slot effect, which in combination with any deck augmented flow could be very useful. This would be a much bigger effort and really experimental. Something on this order - but envision it mounted forward and higher up:
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Cheers - Jim
 
Too cold to spray some paint outside just now, so I did a check on fans, CFM and prices. Bezos has a couple on offer;
This one is 320 CFM and just under $70:
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The inline fan is less output, 270 CFM but 1/2 price at about $35.00:


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I'd expect if you just wanted to test the concept, could get by with one, but for best results use 2 in the plenum.
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I have no idea how much room is available but here are some dimensions. The inline might work best if you wanted to use the taillight evacuation technique I wrote about earlier. It's in the Downloads Section. Or, perhaps a "blown" splitter. Careful though, don't get caught cheating...

Cheers - Jim
 
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