So, what if..............

[big2bird]

The BP gulf relief wells fail?:twitch:

 

[73 Mike]

Eventually it'll run dry. I think they said no more than 3 years reserves.

 

[DARROW 74]

Ruined

Hope it drys up, that area is useless now and it will be that way for a long time. I think its time to put the wells on land and to hell with the green people.

 

[DeeVeeEight]

The BP gulf relief wells fail?:twitch:

They already have...... we are SOL

 

[mrvette]

Hope it drys up, that area is useless now and it will be that way for a long time. I think its time to put the wells on land and to hell with the green people.

:thumbs:

CS101, first course in logic at local Jr. College.....:thumbs:

The BP gulf relief wells fail?:twitch:

They already have...... we are SOL

Methinks THAT would be too large a secret to keep....WAY toooo many people involved....:suicide:

 

[Douglas Mariani]

Hope it drys up, that area is useless now and it will be that way for a long time. I think its time to put the wells on land and to hell with the green people.

I Agree:thumbs:

 

[big2bird]

News flash. There have been 27,000 wells drilled in the gulf since 1941. Tell me how the greenies even begin to be blamed for that.
I believe good old corporate greed is all.

 

[69427]

News flash. There have been 27,000 wells drilled in the gulf since 1941. Tell me how the greenies even begin to be blamed for that.
I believe good old corporate greed is all.

Unless I'm mistaken, there's only proof one of them is leaking. And up 'til recently the oil companies were 27,000 and O. A pretty good record in my book. You don't get that good being greedy.

 

[big2bird]

News flash. There have been 27,000 wells drilled in the gulf since 1941. Tell me how the greenies even begin to be blamed for that.
I believe good old corporate greed is all.

Unless I'm mistaken, there's only proof one of them is leaking. And up 'til recently the oil companies were 27,000 and O. A pretty good record in my book. You don't get that good being greedy.

No arguement there. MY point/question is what does this have to do with any enviromentalist movement, when it has been going on since before WWII?

 

[kwplot34]

News flash. There have been 27,000 wells drilled in the gulf since 1941. Tell me how the greenies even begin to be blamed for that.
I believe good old corporate greed is all.

Unless I'm mistaken, there's only proof one of them is leaking. And up 'til recently the oil companies were 27,000 and O. A pretty good record in my book. You don't get that good being greedy.

No arguement there. MY point/question is what does this have to do with any enviromentalist movement, when it has been going on since before WWII?

Because none of them ever leaked untill the DREADED ENVIRONMENTALIST MOVEMENT. So it has to be their fault,no other explanation for it.

 

[elevatordude]

Ixtoc disaster

 

[mrvette]

News flash. There have been 27,000 wells drilled in the gulf since 1941. Tell me how the greenies even begin to be blamed for that.
I believe good old corporate greed is all.

Unless I'm mistaken, there's only proof one of them is leaking. And up 'til recently the oil companies were 27,000 and O. A pretty good record in my book. You don't get that good being greedy.

No arguement there. MY point/question is what does this have to do with any enviromentalist movement, when it has been going on since before WWII?

99% of them well are in shallow water where there is 1/2 a chance to fix a problem, not mile deep and what? 4 miles of rock....:crap: that to ME is very chancy from the git go.....like driving in NASCAR....gotta have a wreck....gotta happen, always does....

:bomb:

 

[BBShark]

News flash. There have been 27,000 wells drilled in the gulf since 1941. Tell me how the greenies even begin to be blamed for that.
I believe good old corporate greed is all.

Unless I'm mistaken, there's only proof one of them is leaking. And up 'til recently the oil companies were 27,000 and O. A pretty good record in my book. You don't get that good being greedy.

If it's greed, it's greed by our government. The US government is the benificiary of the sale of leases. Another money grab by the usual suspects:


Why did the Obama administration just approve more than 400 new leases for oil companies to operate in the Gulf of Mexico?

— By Kate Sheppard

At his long-awaited press conference on the Gulf oil disaster last month, President Obama announced a moratorium on new oil drilling and exploration for six months. "We can't do this stuff if we don't have confidence that we can prevent crises like this from happening again," he declared. But while existing rigs may be out of commission for the near future, the administration hasn't exactly put the brakes on new oil and gas drilling ventures. In recent weeks, the government has quietly approved the sale of more than 400 new leases for vast swaths of the Gulf of Mexico. And these contracts—which mark the first step in the drilling process—were subjected to the same slapdash environmental oversight that failed to prevent the BP catastrophe.


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[big2bird]

Enviromentalist want no off shore drilling.
How is a leaking off shore rig their fault?

 

[mrvette]

Enviromentalist want no off shore drilling.
How is a leaking off shore rig their fault?

Wooden have BEEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE if not for all the bitchin' about drilling every where else.....

can't do Alaska anymore, can't do the shale, can't do close in coastlines in shallow water, ****, the list of can't do's is SO long with these green weenies, they going to GET what they deserve to set behind the ass end of a mule smelling THAT methane......

I just feel sorry for my kids, that's all.....their lives are going to be SO hard just because they bought into the green weenie crap....

200 years ago, America was no better off than any other joint on the planet...living standard wise.....so now WE and all the other folks following our lead are supposed to somehow give up our living standard based on some MYTH??

:shocking:prrtt::search::beer:

 

[big2bird]

Enviromentalist want no off shore drilling.
How is a leaking off shore rig their fault?

Wooden have BEEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE if not for all the bitchin' about drilling every where else.....

They drilled in the gulf LONG before Alaska, shale, etc.

 

[69427]

Enviromentalist want no off shore drilling.
How is a leaking off shore rig their fault?

Gene is spot on. The enviromentalist wackos (through their bought off politicians) are stopping drilling in all the easy places. I would have some patience for these people if they had some answers to our energy needs, but their only responses are NO, NO, and NO to drilling, Nuclear, and most new Hydroelectric that I'm aware of.

These people are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

The day I see any of these groups actually spend their own money to come up with something marketable that can produce energy to meet this country's needs, I will apologize to this forum for my comments about these people.

 

[DeeVeeEight]

Gasland

Watch this independent film about "Clean natural gas" - it will make you sick...... I do not understand how American Citizens can be treated so poorly by their government.

http://www.gaslandthemovie.com/

 

[big2bird]

Then I propose making Florida the official gulf coast drilling site. Abandon the off shore rigs, and land base them in Florida. Perhaps one next to each Home Depot would suffice.
Gene can have one in his back yard for retirement income.
Since the entire fishing industry has been destroyed for thousands of years, perhaps 1 per mile along Floridas beaches is the solution.
The workers can use the empty hotels as bunk houses.
Plenty of Cuban cheap labor there too.

 

[mrvette]

Then I propose making Florida the official gulf coast drilling site. Abandon the off shore rigs, and land base them in Florida. Perhaps one next to each Home Depot would suffice.
Gene can have one in his back yard for retirement income.
Since the entire fishing industry has been destroyed for thousands of years, perhaps 1 per mile along Floridas beaches is the solution.
The workers can use the empty hotels as bunk houses.
Plenty of Cuban cheap labor there too.

I would LOVE to have one in the back yard, pay me rent or %, fine by ME....

buy me a friggin' yacht about 60' long, fill'er UP, and gone goose....go find some serious fun.....Or rent a new motor home, take a year off to mooch off all my internet/vette buddies.....:shocking::devil:

 

[69427]

Then I propose making Florida the official gulf coast drilling site. Abandon the off shore rigs, and land base them in Florida. Perhaps one next to each Home Depot would suffice.
Gene can have one in his back yard for retirement income.
Since the entire fishing industry has been destroyed for thousands of years, perhaps 1 per mile along Floridas beaches is the solution.
The workers can use the empty hotels as bunk houses.
Plenty of Cuban cheap labor there too.

Jeff, while there's no shortage of hyperbole in your posting, in all sincerity, what is your answer for getting oil? None of our Corvettes run off Pixie dust. We need oil. I'm an engineer, and I love technical solutions. What is yours?

I'm as polite and sincere as I can be with this request. What is your solution for getting oil?

 

[big2bird]

Then I propose making Florida the official gulf coast drilling site. Abandon the off shore rigs, and land base them in Florida. Perhaps one next to each Home Depot would suffice.
Gene can have one in his back yard for retirement income.
Since the entire fishing industry has been destroyed for thousands of years, perhaps 1 per mile along Floridas beaches is the solution.
The workers can use the empty hotels as bunk houses.
Plenty of Cuban cheap labor there too.

Jeff, while there's no shortage of hyperbole in your posting, in all sincerity, what is your answer for getting oil? None of our Corvettes run off Pixie dust. We need oil. I'm an engineer, and I love technical solutions. What is yours?

I'm as polite and sincere as I can be with this request. What is your solution for getting oil?

Mike,
I am not a deep green weenie, however, I do believe we have to be more responsible as caretakers of the earth.
The fact that petrochemicals have been found in polar bear blood, specifically, fire retardent, makes my skin crawl. The mere fact that it is detectible, presumes enormous amounts in the ocean , once diluted, to be actually measured. While mother earth can heal, the amount is finite.
As is oil. Like you, I love my Vette, but at what cost? We have to use oil wisely, and broaden our options. The fools that shot down T Bonne Pickens proposal of wind turbines off shore, merely for the view, are fools. An accident there would be nothing compared to poisoning our food supply/chain.
Solar is also viable. A world of solar panels, using point of usage makes so much sense to me. Charging advanced vehicles , such as a Tesla, for bulk use of commuting is viable. There is NO substitute for oil as a lubricant, but their are alternatives to energy. Delaying a change how we think only prolongs the inevitable, as oil is also a finite supply.
As for your question, I have no qualms with earth bound collection, so long as we are RESPONSIBLE collectors. The endless cycle of large companies farming, dumping, selling/declaring BK, then leaving the clean up costs to the EPA, read taxpayer, must end.
Collect the shale oil, but return the area to normal afterwards.
Mine that coal, but burn it in factories with scrubbers.
The cycle will complete itself
As EPA mandated changes in this country, rather than comply, companies left, and went to Mexico. Now, the Rio Grande is toxic. China is waking up to the fact the YangSi is toxic. They are now looking into responsible commerce. Why, as a human race, must we pollute every country untill we learn to just deal with it, rather than run.
We NEED to leave our children an earth that has a future and hope, and we can do that, we know how, but greed gets in our way.

 

[big2bird]

I leave you with this. The gulf disaster will have MORE impact upon our earth and food chain than Chernoble. Think about that.

 

[saudivette]

...Solar is also viable. A world of solar panels, using point of usage makes so much sense to me...

Last year, I had solar panels installed on my home in Australia. The federal government actually gave me a rebate to do so. Now, any electricity I don't use from the solar panels, goes back into the grid and I get paid for it - pretty easy choice to make really, the government paid to install the system then buy power from me :thumbs:

But, if they can do it that easily on my house, why isn't the Simpson Desert (HUGE desert in the middle of Oz) covered in solar panels? I would have thought that would be a great idea

 

[mrvette]

...Solar is also viable. A world of solar panels, using point of usage makes so much sense to me...

Last year, I had solar panels installed on my home in Australia. The federal government actually gave me a rebate to do so. Now, any electricity I don't use from the solar panels, goes back into the grid and I get paid for it - pretty easy choice to make really, the government paid to install the system then buy power from me :thumbs:

But, if they can do it that easily on my house, why isn't the Simpson Desert (HUGE desert in the middle of Oz) covered in solar panels? I would have thought that would be a great idea

I hear of nasty chemistry involved in making those panels, much less the disposal hazards when they eventually fail....

apparently it's better to burn coal today than solar panels....from a EPA standpoint as well as cost...

the weenies still down on coal are blowing more smoke than a modernized coal plant...the chemical ANALysis of scrubber gases coming outta a plant is cleaner air there than in the surrounding atmosphere....such is the efficiency of modern scrubbers....
and so what do they DO with all that coal ash...gypsum for sheetrock....most always have a sheetrock plant next to a coal fired power plant....

:drink:

 

[BBShark]

...Solar is also viable. A world of solar panels, using point of usage makes so much sense to me...

Last year, I had solar panels installed on my home in Australia. The federal government actually gave me a rebate to do so. Now, any electricity I don't use from the solar panels, goes back into the grid and I get paid for it - pretty easy choice to make really, the government paid to install the system then buy power from me :thumbs:

But, if they can do it that easily on my house, why isn't the Simpson Desert (HUGE desert in the middle of Oz) covered in solar panels? I would have thought that would be a great idea

Solar has to be subsidized by governments. It's the most expensive way to generate electricity (20 - 30 Cents/kW-h vs. 5 Cents for gas/coal/nuke). It also has the problem of going off when the sun goes down:banghead:.

 

[big2bird]

...Solar is also viable. A world of solar panels, using point of usage makes so much sense to me...

Last year, I had solar panels installed on my home in Australia. The federal government actually gave me a rebate to do so. Now, any electricity I don't use from the solar panels, goes back into the grid and I get paid for it - pretty easy choice to make really, the government paid to install the system then buy power from me :thumbs:

But, if they can do it that easily on my house, why isn't the Simpson Desert (HUGE desert in the middle of Oz) covered in solar panels? I would have thought that would be a great idea

Solar has to be subsidized by governments. It's the most expensive way to generate electricity (20 - 30 Cents/kW-h vs. 5 Cents for gas/coal/nuke). It also has the problem of going off when the sun goes down:banghead:.

While it may have a larger initial investment, the energy cost is zero. Generating during the day only is not a problem. That is when you have the largest load anyhow. If you generate more than you use during the day, and sell it back to the grid, you have credit for the grid at night.

 

[big2bird]

...Solar is also viable. A world of solar panels, using point of usage makes so much sense to me...

Last year, I had solar panels installed on my home in Australia. The federal government actually gave me a rebate to do so. Now, any electricity I don't use from the solar panels, goes back into the grid and I get paid for it - pretty easy choice to make really, the government paid to install the system then buy power from me :thumbs:

But, if they can do it that easily on my house, why isn't the Simpson Desert (HUGE desert in the middle of Oz) covered in solar panels? I would have thought that would be a great idea

Point of usage. Installing at your home required ZERO infrastructure. Covering the desert means more transmission lines. That is why you were subsidized. Any other measure requires infrastructure investment.
Nevada is presently making a large plant outside Vegas. It's short transmission line into town to run all them hotel A/C's is a small investment for a free energy source.

 

[big2bird]

All the large, flat roof industries in Riverside and San Bernadino county have been offered FREE solar install, by the utilities, (no tax money).:goodevil:
Seems to me the private sector must see a business win win there.
98% of all solar panels are US made. I cannot see ANY bad there at all.
More jobs, more construction, less pollution, free energy, lower bills, fewer transmission lines.

 

[DJ Dep]

Well this certainly is an interesting discussion. I live in an area that is supposed to be ideal for solar power. But....

1. It is VERY expoensive to install. I am not a poor person, but it is WAY beyond my price range.

2. The solar panels only provide enough power to run minimal electical devices. I have a brand new energy efficient central air conditioning system and there is NO WAY solar panels can run it.

3. Now that some people have started using solar power the electric company has realized that their profits are down. So they have JACKED UP the price of electricity dramatically FOR EVERYONE. So much for Al Gore's "carbon credits".

4. Most of the solar panel stuff is made OVERSEAS. So it may be a "green job" to make, it but American labor isn't benefitting from it.

5. No power when the sun goes down. The solution has been battery storage. But that has it's own can of worms when those batteris go bad. You have to dispose of them and they contain all kinds of nasty stuff.

6. For solar power for large locations there are two main problems...

The reasons that solar power plants do not power the world are summed up in two reasons: cost and reliability. Solar plants made of solar cells are extremely expensive to build. Thousands of square feet of solar cells are required to generate enough power for even a very small town. A large city simply doesn’t have enough room for a solar plant, or enough money. The second main reason is the unreliability of the plants. If the plant has a few cloudy days, there will be no electricity for the town. This is not an option for many towns or cities. In the modern age of today, we need to have power 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, not only on sunny days, sometimes at night.