Big Brother

It's about time, starts with the wifi connected gps that share traffic information, ends with Google self-driving car.

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We're already traced by our credit card and cellphone, not saying it's all good thing.

Now let's dream it's a box you only open when things go bad, gone are the false declarations and insurance screw-ups.
 
denpo said:
It's about time, starts with the wifi connected gps that share traffic information, ends with Google self-driving car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9Fxp3HK6DI

We're already traced by our credit card and cellphone, not saying it's all good thing.

Now let's dream it's a box you only open when things go bad, gone are the false declarations and insurance screw-ups.
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I knew you'd be for this. I suposed congress and the president are exempt. Fuck the state.

You buy and install one if you want, manditory is the problem.
 
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68L71 said:
denpo said:
It's about time, starts with the wifi connected gps that share traffic information, ends with Google self-driving car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9Fxp3HK6DI

We're already traced by our credit card and cellphone, not saying it's all good thing.

Now let's dream it's a box you only open when things go bad, gone are the false declarations and insurance screw-ups.
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I knew you'd be for this. I suposed congress and the president are exempt. Fuck the state.

You buy and install one if you want, manditory is the problem.
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I knew you wouldn't get the sarcasm.
 
Eh, wrap the friggin thing in tinfoil, it will not .com with a friggin thing....

CASE CLOSED......
 
denpo said:
I knew you wouldn't get the sarcasm.
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Ok, all bs aside, this is the government going too far in my opinion. I am sure the lawyers and insurance companies will love it. Before long we won't need cops with radar guns, break the speed limit and you get a ticket in the mail.
 
68L71 said:
denpo said:
I knew you wouldn't get the sarcasm.
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Ok, all bs aside, this is the government going too far in my opinion. I am sure the lawyers and insurance companies will love it. Before long we won't need cops with radar guns, break the speed limit and you get a ticket in the mail.
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In the principle I agree this steps on people's right privacy.

My point was with the advance of progress, all the informations sharing (and storing) will be done without even asking the people the right to do so.
It's a given for a taken, just like internet. A load of new features and services, some we just don't envision yet, at the price of more traceability.

Some see it as bad (like you), some see it as good (unlike me).
I just see it as unavoidable, whether we like is or not.

Like the recent fights against SOPA and PIPA, it's all about watching what the greedy ones will want to turn progress into.
 
Being tracked by your credit card doesn't land you in court. This type of device could be used by insurance companies and plaintiff lawyers to check your driving habits if involved in an accident. My old car is my business
 
There's been an ad on TV by one of the insurance companies- sign up for this plug-in to your car and get a discount on insurance. It's a reader for the OBD-II system that monitors and downloads your driving habits and distances to the insurance company.
I'll bet the legal community is chomping at the bit to get these in every car. Monitor your driving and location at all times. I've heard a story (and I'm reasonably sure it's just that- a story) about a guy that was tracked to his girlfriends by OnStar and the results were used by his ex-wife's attorney.
 
Not to worry. Sharp dudes like TT and maybe me would put a protocol analzer on the OBDII output and break the code. Plug you laptop into the monitor and download any driving style or location you want.

Nothing is foolproof.

The big thing around here is "right to repair". Mass is trying to pass a law so OEMs have to make the protocols and codes open.

As stated above someone will break the code anyway.
 
I am not too worried about hacking it, driving an old car or ripping it out. What gets me is these fools in Washington keep pumping this shit out at the expense of the tax payer. It is not just the current administration. When will it stop? coup d'etat?
 
TimAT said:
There's been an ad on TV by one of the insurance companies- sign up for this plug-in to your car and get a discount on insurance. It's a reader for the OBD-II system that monitors and downloads your driving habits and distances to the insurance company.
I'll bet the legal community is chomping at the bit to get these in every car. Monitor your driving and location at all times. I've heard a story (and I'm reasonably sure it's just that- a story) about a guy that was tracked to his girlfriends by OnStar and the results were used by his ex-wife's attorney.
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Yeh, i'ts that Progressive ins co.....and we did their little reader trick on the '99 Escort, and they did give us a substantial discount, it's Linda driving it, and it showed TWO heavy/quick accelerations in a MONTH of driving, probably when I was behind the wheel, we were laughing at the readout they gave us....

:eek:h::flash:
 
molested84 said:
Yep, just one more thing to circumvent or hack.

If it can be engineered, it can be reverse-engineered. :D
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OR like I say, put a tinfoil HAT on it....wife was surprised when we tested her cphone like that, obviously knocked off the air, and she was amazed.....

k/o 800 mhz? of cphone and some sat system is even easier....

:pprrtt:
 
mrvette said:
TimAT said:
There's been an ad on TV by one of the insurance companies- sign up for this plug-in to your car and get a discount on insurance. It's a reader for the OBD-II system that monitors and downloads your driving habits and distances to the insurance company.
I'll bet the legal community is chomping at the bit to get these in every car. Monitor your driving and location at all times. I've heard a story (and I'm reasonably sure it's just that- a story) about a guy that was tracked to his girlfriends by OnStar and the results were used by his ex-wife's attorney.
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Yeh, i'ts that Progressive ins co.....and we did their little reader trick on the '99 Escort, and they did give us a substantial discount, it's Linda driving it, and it showed TWO heavy/quick accelerations in a MONTH of driving, probably when I was behind the wheel, we were laughing at the readout they gave us....

:eek:h::flash:
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Give us more details.
How big % of the original bill did you save?
Did the two accelerations impacted you insurance rate?
Are the reading accurate?

Less seriously, I'd love to see a quarter-miler apply for this, just to get precise history of their runs :twitch::rofl:
 
denpo said:
mrvette said:
TimAT said:
There's been an ad on TV by one of the insurance companies- sign up for this plug-in to your car and get a discount on insurance. It's a reader for the OBD-II system that monitors and downloads your driving habits and distances to the insurance company.
I'll bet the legal community is chomping at the bit to get these in every car. Monitor your driving and location at all times. I've heard a story (and I'm reasonably sure it's just that- a story) about a guy that was tracked to his girlfriends by OnStar and the results were used by his ex-wife's attorney.
Click to expand...

Yeh, i'ts that Progressive ins co.....and we did their little reader trick on the '99 Escort, and they did give us a substantial discount, it's Linda driving it, and it showed TWO heavy/quick accelerations in a MONTH of driving, probably when I was behind the wheel, we were laughing at the readout they gave us....

:eek:h::flash:
Click to expand...
Give us more details.
How big % of the original bill did you save?
Did the two accelerations impacted you insurance rate?
Are the reading accurate?

Less seriously, I'd love to see a quarter-miler apply for this, just to get precise history of their runs :twitch::rofl:
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Well, lets jest say that little old granny at 130 lbs soaking WET can't push the gas to the floor....

they were hitting us for Florida rates of ~700/year for Florida MIN coverage....meanint 10k/20k on liability and ZERO on any comp/collision...freeking stupid high rates across the board to what I used to pay in Maryland for TEN X the coverage on liability.... so they knocked off the full 30% for us.....but the car is in HER name as a DD, I"m a listed driver, age 68.....now how this afects YOUR rates....I dunno....

BUT to say IF the ERIE INS company writes in Canada....you get them on the line, there is nothing cheaper....bet on it...

I was with them in Maryland/outside DC...for some 20 years...

auto/home/business/cat.liability/the works.....and for maybe 25% of the rates we pay in Florida NOW....and for 100k/300k coverage on the auto too....so go figger....

:gurney::confused:
 
mrvette said:
TimAT said:
There's been an ad on TV by one of the insurance companies- sign up for this plug-in to your car and get a discount on insurance. It's a reader for the OBD-II system that monitors and downloads your driving habits and distances to the insurance company.
I'll bet the legal community is chomping at the bit to get these in every car. Monitor your driving and location at all times. I've heard a story (and I'm reasonably sure it's just that- a story) about a guy that was tracked to his girlfriends by OnStar and the results were used by his ex-wife's attorney.
Click to expand...

Yeh, i'ts that Progressive ins co.....and we did their little reader trick on the '99 Escort, and they did give us a substantial discount, it's Linda driving it, and it showed TWO heavy/quick accelerations in a MONTH of driving, probably when I was behind the wheel, we were laughing at the readout they gave us....

:eek:h::flash:
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Gene- YOU have PROGRESSIVE INSURANCE????
You might want to read this-But first put on some diapers- because your gonna ---- all over yourself....
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/peterlewis.asp

Whether or not it's a good idea- EVERY regulation costs us money...think of it as another day you give up to the Government..and get NOTHING in return!
 
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