Plastic Fantastic 2

[SuperBuickGuy]

2 years - that is number of years I can go without a C3.

ut oh, there's an anti-theft device there


My friend has a scoop... mine is bigger (where the 'ew' came from)


the motor and trans don't come with it, but it comes with its stock motor (a 350) and trans (a ST-10). This motor sounds good, very, very good. It's a 400 with the larger B&M blower (177 iirc)....




I paid less for this then for PF 1

 

[rtj]

Plans? Expectations will be fairly high after the Toyota! Just kidding, looks like a great start no matter what you do.

 

[SuperBuickGuy]

picked up some of the 'spare' parts.
this motor was rattling pretty good, however, it's a 4 bolt main 350 so useful for something


and the transmission


a nice surprise 882 2.02 heads, screw in studs, light porting


and an airgap intake, edelbrock valve colvers, full roller rockers.


it also came with a removable cross member (manual cars don't have removable cross members).

what's cool about the motor parts is that someone spent some time and money on the car

 

[SuperBuickGuy]

Plans? Expectations will be fairly high after the Toyota! Just kidding, looks like a great start no matter what you do.

Oops, I didn't mention. I still have the custom images flares, so those are going on.

I have a 6.0 LS motor currently in a denali so that's going in probably with some turbos that are sitting on a shelf that will go into side pipes.

Transmission will probably be the Super T-10, but if a 5 or 6 speed fell into my lap (which will hold the power) - that would be the other choice.

My current thought is put a C4 suspension under it, and I have the parts for a guldstrand rear. That said, I may simply mix and match the two generations...

 

[SuperBuickGuy]

Fetching day.
but first.... yep, there's 3 broken teeth in that ST-10


wave good bye


we did a nice job of flattening berry vines and dirt piles fetching


loading


and loading.... this is just before Regis did a full contact with the floor.... twas a bit slick. Thanks for taking one for the team, buddy.



no need to go to the gym today


If you run trees over when they're young, it toughens them up


loaded


stretching is appropriate when you're tossing a hood on


if the GMC looks a bit upset, it's because it's going to be giving up its motor for the Corvette


Interior shot.... this one has frills, it's a 4 speed car but has power windows
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[mrvette]

I just replaced the PW switches on my '72 console, with switches I picked out of a junkyard some 30? years ago....they are marked LOCK on them, from a car with electric door locks....just to be different...and mess with minds.....

:smash:

 

[SuperBuickGuy]

under carriage shots

lots of leaks

I wonder what he hit....


the exhaust is also oval


bright side is they did a great job of protecting the underbody.... and I won't be using it anyway, so it's all good.

it really seems silly to me that the area under the cabin isn't cross braced..... so that is one of those things I'll add to this car.

 

[mrvette]

IMO, the part of that frame to be concerned with is the rear side rails, right around and just forward of where the trailing arms bolt in.....famous rust area....:shocking::crap: kind of strange all that rust on the front cross member, must have had a leaking water pump for quite a while....

 

[SuperBuickGuy]

there's nothing but a slight surface rust in all the places that the engine oil didn't leak on ... :gurney:

 

[rtj]

I see talk of an import engine for this on CF. Baiting the purists over there?

 

[SuperBuickGuy]

who me? :crylol: while I'm usually guilty of that - you need look to Alan for such shenanigans. That said, I could ask what they think of a duramax (it would probably fit under that silly hood scoop... :evil:

 

[rtj]

Spy video of the new motor. ?

 

[rtj]

But seriously, it doesn't take a big change in the intake manifold height to use up all the space under a C3 cowl hood. I raised my l88 hood 1.5 in and still needed a drop base ac with the factory dual plane manifold. You might be happy with that hood.

 

[SuperBuickGuy]

I'm certain it will need something - but that scoop is a large bit too much. All I know right now is that it's not going on the finished project and that the flat hood won't work either - so the end will surprise me as well... that said, L88 hood with mods.... whatever it is, I plan on road courses and autocross with it, so seeing the passenger side is kind of non-negotiable.

love the deux chevaux - when I lived in France my first, serious girlfriend had one that she eventually rolled... before that.... well that suspension is cushy for far more then transporting eggs across a field :1st:

 

[SuperBuickGuy]

so here is the rear suspension I'm planning on using
http://www.corvettefaq.com/c3/6link/

and pictures of the bits....


​and no, the stack isn't right - but it's the basic idea.

 

[SuperBuickGuy]

I'm still trying to decide what motor. It didn't get any easier this last week, I got as trade a 4 bolt main 454, and have a steel 427 crank... I really, really liked my last C3 - the knuckle-dragging simple no PS, no power brakes, manual transmission, stupid-large cam, hard-riding car. It was the hardest-driving, slowest-fast-car I ever had and absolutely the most fun car I've ever owned... decisions. Do I make it daily-driveable or build another 'race' car for the street?

I don't need a DD and the only reason I sold the last one was because I didn't want to repaint it when I put the flares on it (that and the suspension was done - and I wanted rack and pinion and the guldstrand rear setup)

Thoughts?

 

[rtj]

I had a steel head 427 in a 68 and really liked it. Headers, cam, intake, carb, msd billed dist, and msd6al really woke it up. You combo will be a few more ci's according to what I read.

Definitely do alum heads, alum intake, & alum water pump as well as pull weight off front end.

 

[SuperBuickGuy]

4.250 bore, 3.760 stroke, 426.72 ci. 454 standard block, 396 crank.

I will do as much lightness as possible should I go the bbc route.

 

[rtj]

You are right, I went back and checked, they did an overbore.

My opinion, an alum head big block will sell better when you want to get rid of the car. But, the LS take out engines are tempting.

 

[SuperBuickGuy]

It's not 4 bolt block, we're back to LS... though maybe LS 427 :thumbs:

I have a very good friend that, after driving my last C3, is now building his version of a C3 (Regis on Corvette Forum) that's doing a SBC 427 - I can't convince him to go LS, so I think I'll do the next, best thing.... build my own - though with that said, I'm not sure I can get the cubic inches with a 6.0 block (and that would stop that thought process immediately).

He's more driver comfort but still race-car-oriented. My concept of driver comfort is "if I can survive, it's perfect" so my going to 11 isn't really a challenge, more just kind of what I do.

 

[rtj]

It's not 4 bolt block, we're back to LS... though maybe LS 427 :thumbs:

I have a very good friend that, after driving my last C3, is now building his version of a C3 (Regis on Corvette Forum) that's doing a SBC 427 - I can't convince him to go LS, so I think I'll do the next, best thing.... build my own - though with that said, I'm not sure I can get the cubic inches with a 6.0 block (and that would stop that thought process immediately).

He's more driver comfort but still race-car-oriented. My concept of driver comfort is "if I can survive, it's perfect" so my going to 11 isn't really a challenge, more just kind of what I do.

Guys put tool steel bars on the main bearing caps on two bolt mains and boost them. They claim they can get a lot of runs with no issues. I'll see if I can find a link. I seem to remember some fairly stout boost. My 390hp 427 was 2 bolt from the factory, pretty common.

 

[rtj]

Photo in link 1

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=245217




http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=627243

 

[Sam Cogley]

It's not 4 bolt block, we're back to LS... though maybe LS 427 :thumbs:

I have a very good friend that, after driving my last C3, is now building his version of a C3 (Regis on Corvette Forum) that's doing a SBC 427 - I can't convince him to go LS, so I think I'll do the next, best thing.... build my own - though with that said, I'm not sure I can get the cubic inches with a 6.0 block (and that would stop that thought process immediately).

He's more driver comfort but still race-car-oriented. My concept of driver comfort is "if I can survive, it's perfect" so my going to 11 isn't really a challenge, more just kind of what I do.

You should be able to get aftermarket four-bolt main caps for that block and have a machine shop drill and tap the extra holes.

 

[SuperBuickGuy]

I agree it could be made to hold, but that starts a very slippery slope I don't think I want to ride again. I did all that to a 455 Buick motor.... for an astonishing $500 less then a TA performance aluminum block, I have a motor that will handle 1/2 the hp of a TA performance block.

my goal is open track days, not 1/4 mile anything - so lots of rpm for prolonged periods of time....

 

[denpo]

love the deux chevaux - when I lived in France my first, serious girlfriend had one that she eventually rolled... before that.... well that suspension is cushy for far more then transporting eggs across a field :1st:

The 2CV carries the legend of being impossible to roll, and that's the first time I hear someone managed to do it.... beside myself.
Not me actually, but I was in the passenger seat when it happened. One of the rare moment I thought I would die.
For the engine, a Turbo'ed L33 would be a nice cheap/fast/light/reliable combo.

 

[Sam Cogley]

That reminds me of a stoner/idiot that I worked with at a golf course in high school. We had a habit of jimmying the governors when we were using carts to run around the course on business, so it wouldn't take forever to get where we were going, but this numbskull managed to roll a golf cart. On a perfectly level stretch of ground. :banghead::hijack:

 

[SuperBuickGuy]

THAT WAS NOT ME.... I flipped the lawn mower... :drink:

 

[SuperBuickGuy]

love the deux chevaux - when I lived in France my first, serious girlfriend had one that she eventually rolled... before that.... well that suspension is cushy for far more then transporting eggs across a field :1st:

The 2CV carries the legend of being impossible to roll, and that's the first time I hear someone managed to do it.... beside myself.
Not me actually, but I was in the passenger seat when it happened. One of the rare moment I thought I would die.
For the engine, a Turbo'ed L33 would be a nice cheap/fast/light/reliable combo.

She was very attractive (she was a runway model), the reason I got an 'A' in pre-calc, but made Dumbo look like a ballerina. Riding with her... I've done some pretty amazing things, used to work ski patrol, 4 wheel up stuff I can't climb without a rope, have been nearly 250 mph on salt, but she scared me more in her drives around town then I have ever since been scared. I think it was a family thing. Not long after her brother rolled a Capri (this was in Geneva - a cool capri) in the middle of a field while driving down a straight driveway...

 

[Sam Cogley]

I got flung off of a golf cart onto a rough concrete driveway by the same idiot's younger brother. When we would have tournaments, our usual procedure was to use one cart as a taxi to run everyone back to the cart garage to get more carts out. We had just received a new batch of carts from a different manufacturer than our old, reliable Yamahas - and the new front roof posts were set about six inches further forward than on the old carts. Idiot was swerving around with the governor cracked open, I started to slide on the seat, reached out to grab the post, and hit thin air. Ripped the skin off of both palms, both elbows, and both knees. My boss thought I'd been run over by a road grader.

If there is any justice in the universe, those morons are either dead or in jail by now.

 

[SuperBuickGuy]

I got flung off of a golf cart onto a rough concrete driveway by the same idiot's younger brother. When we would have tournaments, our usual procedure was to use one cart as a taxi to run everyone back to the cart garage to get more carts out. We had just received a new batch of carts from a different manufacturer than our old, reliable Yamahas - and the new front roof posts were set about six inches further forward than on the old carts. Idiot was swerving around with the governor cracked open, I started to slide on the seat, reached out to grab the post, and hit thin air. Ripped the skin off of both palms, both elbows, and both knees. My boss thought I'd been run over by a road grader.

If there is any justice in the universe, those morons are either dead or in jail by now.

more likely this -

I went to high school with a guy who, because alcohol was forbidden (think, very conservative christian school) got the brilliant idea to make wine from Kiwi fruit. His method was slice kiwi, put it in a jar on the window, let ferment for 3 weeks.... then drink. It literally ricocheted out of him, in - out. He designs Boeing jets now. There isn't a time when I'm on an airplane and don't wonder if I'm relying on his 'expertise' while hurdling through the air at 400+ mph.