Obama-Anyone know if this is true?

[bobs77vet]

What about my choice not to pay for GM bail out, your health care, food, earned income tax, etc etc etc. ......

For a long time this country has moved in the wrong direction as far as individual rights, both parties are to blame. One thing no one likes to talk about, all of this government expansion (bobs77vet comment.. AS I SEE IT its the WARS IN OTHER COUNTIRES 40% of OUR FEDERAL SPENDING IS DEFENSE RELATED) fueled by debt is really paid for with inflation, the biggest tax of all and it hits the middle class the hardest.

these are the real issues that are debatable and people have different visions of what our country should be like.

Personally I dont think anybody really is grasping that 40% of federal spending is on defense and defense debt, so we can be in countries that hate us for being there. remember we won the cold war because we bankrupted the USSR and now our enemies are bankrupting us.

 

[mrvette]

What about my choice not to pay for GM bail out, your health care, food, earned income tax, etc etc etc. ......

For a long time this country has moved in the wrong direction as far as individual rights, both parties are to blame. One thing no one likes to talk about, all of this government expansion (bobs77vet comment.. AS I SEE IT its the WARS IN OTHER COUNTIRES 40% of OUR FEDERAL SPENDING IS DEFENSE RELATED) fueled by debt is really paid for with inflation, the biggest tax of all and it hits the middle class the hardest.

these are the real issues that are debatable and people have different visions of what our country should be like.

Personally I dont think anybody really is grasping that 40% of federal spending is on defense and defense debt, so we can be in countries that hate us for being there. remember we won the cold war because we bankrupted the USSR and now our enemies are bankrupting us.

Defense is like <25% at most of the Fed.gov budget these days, so how can you blame defense for most of the debt??

ME, that islamic war would be over long ago, and forgotten, and gas down to about 2 bux/gallon....:smash: our .gov is too PC to actually win the war,

which is basically easy to do....and we don't HAVE to use nuclear capability to do it either.....

:smash:

 

[big2bird]

What about my choice not to pay for GM bail out, your health care, food, earned income tax, etc etc etc. ......

For a long time this country has moved in the wrong direction as far as individual rights, both parties are to blame. One thing no one likes to talk about, all of this government expansion (bobs77vet comment.. AS I SEE IT its the WARS IN OTHER COUNTIRES 40% of OUR FEDERAL SPENDING IS DEFENSE RELATED) fueled by debt is really paid for with inflation, the biggest tax of all and it hits the middle class the hardest.

these are the real issues that are debatable and people have different visions of what our country should be like.

Personally I dont think anybody really is grasping that 40% of federal spending is on defense and defense debt, so we can be in countries that hate us for being there. remember we won the cold war because we bankrupted the USSR and now our enemies are bankrupting us.

Bingo again. Eisenhower warned that the military would spend us underwater, and he was correct. The pentagon has had Carte Blanche WAY too long.:smash:

 

[BBShark]

these are the real issues that are debatable and people have different visions of what our country should be like.

Personally I dont think anybody really is grasping that 40% of federal spending is on defense and defense debt, so we can be in countries that hate us for being there. remember we won the cold war because we bankrupted the USSR and now our enemies are bankrupting us.

The USSR threw in the towel when Regan proposed the Star Wars defense program. You are right, they gave up because we had the money to do it (thriving economy) and they didn't. Lots of people speculate that it was not a real program but it got the job done!

Defense is not 40% (try 20%). This is commonly stated by politicians who should know better. They are either lying or ignorant:

 

[big2bird]

What about my choice not to pay for GM bail out, your health care, food, earned income tax, etc etc etc. ......

For a long time this country has moved in the wrong direction as far as individual rights, both parties are to blame. One thing no one likes to talk about, all of this government expansion (bobs77vet comment.. AS I SEE IT its the WARS IN OTHER COUNTIRES 40% of OUR FEDERAL SPENDING IS DEFENSE RELATED) fueled by debt is really paid for with inflation, the biggest tax of all and it hits the middle class the hardest.

these are the real issues that are debatable and people have different visions of what our country should be like.

Personally I dont think anybody really is grasping that 40% of federal spending is on defense and defense debt, so we can be in countries that hate us for being there. remember we won the cold war because we bankrupted the USSR and now our enemies are bankrupting us.

Defense is like <25% at most of the Fed.gov budget these days, so how can you blame defense for most of the debt??

Are you phucking kidding me Gene?

 

[mrvette]

What about my choice not to pay for GM bail out, your health care, food, earned income tax, etc etc etc. ......

For a long time this country has moved in the wrong direction as far as individual rights, both parties are to blame. One thing no one likes to talk about, all of this government expansion (bobs77vet comment.. AS I SEE IT its the WARS IN OTHER COUNTIRES 40% of OUR FEDERAL SPENDING IS DEFENSE RELATED) fueled by debt is really paid for with inflation, the biggest tax of all and it hits the middle class the hardest.

these are the real issues that are debatable and people have different visions of what our country should be like.

Personally I dont think anybody really is grasping that 40% of federal spending is on defense and defense debt, so we can be in countries that hate us for being there. remember we won the cold war because we bankrupted the USSR and now our enemies are bankrupting us.

Defense is like <25% at most of the Fed.gov budget these days, so how can you blame defense for most of the debt??

Are you phucking kidding me Gene?

See above, Cong, Budget Office.....CBO,.....i'ts better than I thought, it USED to be more than 25% back when USSR was in vogue....

turns out they were nothing but a house of cards....

and besided, money spent on things like NASA and DOD has a habit of turning over some 7.5X in the economy, providing jobs money dumped into some welfare pit, turns over 1.5 times in the HONEST economy, problem is welfare enables drug habits, and the UNDERGROUND ECONOMY which is almost ~30% of the total economy.....and goes totally UNtaxed, while the legit numbers are based on what the .gov knows, and that is that nearly 1/2 the population payb NO FEDERAL INCOME TAX, NONE, most of them take welfare from the Fed .GOV.....

top 5% of taxpayers kick in 80% of all fed INCOME taxes collected, much MORE than 'their fare share'.......

:thumbs::smash: AND everyone of those senators you hear of on TV, has illegal gains in offshore accounts sheltered investments bought on inside information from the Hill.....both parties are guilty of that, ever hear over Kennedy and Cayman Islands???:smash::thumbs:

 

[68L71]

What about my choice not to pay for GM bail out, your health care, food, earned income tax, etc etc etc. ......

For a long time this country has moved in the wrong direction as far as individual rights, both parties are to blame. One thing no one likes to talk about, all of this government expansion (bobs77vet comment.. AS I SEE IT its the WARS IN OTHER COUNTIRES 40% of OUR FEDERAL SPENDING IS DEFENSE RELATED) fueled by debt is really paid for with inflation, the biggest tax of all and it hits the middle class the hardest.

these are the real issues that are debatable and people have different visions of what our country should be like.

Personally I dont think anybody really is grasping that 40% of federal spending is on defense and defense debt, so we can be in countries that hate us for being there. remember we won the cold war because we bankrupted the USSR and now our enemies are bankrupting us.

Hey I agree, wars are funded with inflation. I never defended our war agenda. I think national defense and our war agenda have little in common. However national defense is one of the few roles for our federal government. Paying for social programs is definetly not a federal role.

The idea the majority can force the minority into slavery to the government is not morally right nor is it consistent with the principals of the USA. We are a republic.

For the less informed....

A republic and a democracy are identical in every aspect except one. In a republic the sovereignty is in each individual person. In a democracy the sovereignty is in the group.

 

[bobs77vet]

guys you need to add the spending on the debt for the defense dept to the annual appropriated funding....then you start to see the whole picture. we didnt get in debt by social spending alone....

 

[BBShark]

guys you need to add the spending on the debt for the defense dept to the annual appropriated funding....then you start to see the whole picture. we didnt get in debt by social spending alone....

OK, using that crazy logic, since 20% is spent on defense, lets say it's responsible for 20% of the payment on the debt. So now the total would be 21% for defense and 5% for payment on the debt. Big deal.

 

[damoroso]

guys you need to add the spending on the debt for the defense dept to the annual appropriated funding....then you start to see the whole picture. we didnt get in debt by social spending alone....

Bob, any idea how much of the annual federal budget (well what the budget would be if we had one for the last 3 yrs.. ) social spending is, including the federal funding of state social programs? My guess is that it far exceeds defense spending, but I don't know, otherwise I'd give it.

Oh, and cutting defense spending is fine, just cut the mission requirements too. But that never seems to happen. I'm all in favor of pulling our folks out of places that don't want them there, unless there's a real strategic need for us to be there. But we are the worlds police force aren't we? Like it or not, we're the only ones willing to risk "blood and treasure" for others. I mean this whole accusation of American Colonialism, have we ever kept any place we've fought and died for?

 

[mrvette]

guys you need to add the spending on the debt for the defense dept to the annual appropriated funding....then you start to see the whole picture. we didnt get in debt by social spending alone....

Bob, any idea how much of the annual federal budget (well what the budget would be if we had one for the last 3 yrs.. ) social spending is, including the federal funding of state social programs? My guess is that it far exceeds defense spending, but I don't know, otherwise I'd give it.

Oh, and cutting defense spending is fine, just cut the mission requirements too. But that never seems to happen. I'm all in favor of pulling our folks out of places that don't want them there, unless there's a real strategic need for us to be there. But we are the worlds police force aren't we? Like it or not, we're the only ones willing to risk "blood and treasure" for others. I mean this whole accusation of American Colonialism, have we ever kept any place we've fought and died for?

I can only think of maybe ONE Japanese island, and unsure of that one....Okinawa ??? so MAYBE one exception, but our guys EARNED it....:goodnight:

Honestly, I in favor of withdrawing our forces from all the land bases overseas, Korea, Germany, wherEVER, and going back with a message...like I alluded to above....and eliminate islam cults flat out...up to ME, and they could not stop anyone from pumping what oil WE the civilized/intelligent world need to fuel our cars/transportation until it's all gone, we make them rich enough to be minor GODS, and so they hate us enough over IsREAL to do the cowardly sneak attacks going on for years now???

ME, islam would cease to exist as any geo- political power at all.....they be on their camel and ride, we I shut down their entire culture....

:devil::flash:

 

[damoroso]

Gene, we're on Okinawa but it's not US territory. In fact, we provide and have since WW II had a strong presence there. The treaty that ended WW II dictated that Japan would only have defensive military capability, and that was also limited. The short answer is that we have not kept any land anywhere that we fought for, and we usualy pay (and dearly) to rebuild these theses aces with little thanks and much ridicule...

 

[mrvette]

Gene, we're on Okinawa but it's not US territory. In fact, we provide and have since WW II had a strong presence there. The treaty that ended WW II dictated that Japan would only have defensive military capability, and that was also limited. The short answer is that we have not kept any land anywhere that we fought for, and we usualy pay (and dearly) to rebuild these theses aces with little thanks and much ridicule...

Tell me about it, the seemingly only force for GOOD in this putrid world, and some HOW WE are being attacked by all the jerks who hold their hands out and demand MORE???

for WHAT??? :bonkers: Up to ME, I tell them exactly for WHAT alright....in about 1 nanosecond if necessary....:flash:prrtt:

 

[bobs77vet]

Texas?

 

[bobs77vet]

who knows if any of this is accurate......., but you need to count veterans benefits and dept of veterans affairs and servicing the past debt for a real picture of the defense spending. defense spending is way over 20% with out a question, i will keep looking for something that has some credibility....I saw one once that was a picture of the federal tax dollar and it was broken down to include servicing the debt

http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704506404575592900454547226.html

 

[big2bird]

who knows if any of this is accurate......., but you need to count veterans benefits and dept of veterans affairs and servicing the past debt for a real picture of the defense spending. defense spending is way over 20% with out a question, i will keep looking for something that has some credibility....I saw one once that was a picture of the federal tax dollar and it was broken down to include servicing the debt

http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704506404575592900454547226.html

If you take social security, which is supposedly funded by SS tax, not income tax, how your income tax is spent changes big time.

 

[big2bird]

So guys, political differences aside, I cannot think of ONE CLAIM, by EITHER SIDE, about how we fix the economy.
In all fairness, I have to say THEY JUST DON'T KNOW.

 

[SmokinBBC]

who knows if any of this is accurate......., but you need to count veterans benefits and dept of veterans affairs and servicing the past debt for a real picture of the defense spending. defense spending is way over 20% with out a question, i will keep looking for something that has some credibility....I saw one once that was a picture of the federal tax dollar and it was broken down to include servicing the debt

http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704506404575592900454547226.html

If you take social security, which is supposedly funded by SS tax, not income tax, how your income tax is spent changes big time.

Ahhhhh social security. Another well run program. For the first time, new retirees will receive less than they paid in. Which means I will never receive back what I paid in.....

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...han-paid-in-marking-historic/?test=latestnews

 

[mrvette]

I tell you ALL how to solve the financial problems....and the cure is not easy....

in fact it's painful.....but necessary....

First off, we repudiate the national debt......nationalize the gold in vaults on OUR territory, ensure support to the entire .mil structure.....we back new currency via the GOLD standard in our vaults.....

we grab all the islamic wealth via computers, we eliminate all islamic power stations, starting with Iran, meaning electric, naval, nuclear, .gov, .worship, .com and ALL of it, bridges, ports, the works, take them into the stone age in about 6 hours......or less.....then when the rest of them sick bastards get the message, we take the rest of them out.....

Guess what?? a electric power plant hit with a MIRV off a sub missile on the boiler does??? right.....blackout....

those iran nuclear sites....underground?? simple, hit the egress and exit tunnels, blow the power, blow the AIR and they all DIE

Tell me that Satellite surveillance can't spot those in/out ducts??? ********....

blow the bridges, ports, on top of it, reduce islam to nothing, whence they came...with OUR money....at time of WW2 they were nothing, and because of OIL WE made them something, so WE can take it away....

and honestly I could care less, after some 30 years of this terrorism....

take them all out back and cap them.....no trials no mosques....they simply have to be eliminated.....

FACE FACTS.....

:goodnight:

 

[big2bird]

I tell you ALL how to solve the financial problems....and the cure is not easy....

in fact it's painful.....but necessary....

First off, we repudiate the national debt......nationalize the gold in vaults on OUR territory, ensure support to the entire .mil structure.....we back new currency via the GOLD standard in our vaults.....

we grab all the islamic wealth via computers, we eliminate all islamic power stations, starting with Iran, meaning electric, naval, nuclear, .gov, .worship, .com and ALL of it, bridges, ports, the works, take them into the stone age in about 6 hours......or less.....then when the rest of them sick bastards get the message, we take the rest of them out.....

Guess what?? a electric power plant hit with a MIRV off a sub missile on the boiler does??? right.....blackout....

those iran nuclear sites....underground?? simple, hit the egress and exit tunnels, blow the power, blow the AIR and they all DIE

Tell me that Satellite surveillance can't spot those in/out ducts??? ********....

blow the bridges, ports, on top of it, reduce islam to nothing, whence they came...with OUR money....at time of WW2 they were nothing, and because of OIL WE made them something, so WE can take it away....

and honestly I could care less, after some 30 years of this terrorism....

take them all out back and cap them.....no trials no mosques....they simply have to be eliminated.....

FACE FACTS.....

:goodnight:

Are you a candidate? I asked about presidential candidates, both parties, and what they would do.

 

[big2bird]

we grab all the islamic wealth via computers, we eliminate all islamic power stations, starting with Iran, meaning electric, naval, nuclear, .gov, .worship, .com and ALL of it, bridges, ports, the works, take them into the stone age in about 6 hours......or less.....then when the rest of them sick bastards get the message, we take the rest of them out.....

Guess what?? a electric power plant hit with a MIRV off a sub missile on the boiler does??? right.....blackout....

those iran nuclear sites....underground?? simple, hit the egress and exit tunnels, blow the power, blow the AIR and they all DIE

Tell me that Satellite surveillance can't spot those in/out ducts??? ********....

blow the bridges, ports, on top of it, reduce islam to nothing, whence they came...with OUR money....at time of WW2 they were nothing, and because of OIL WE made them something, so WE can take it away....

and honestly I could care less, after some 30 years of this terrorism....

take them all out back and cap them.....no trials no mosques....they simply have to be eliminated.....

FACE FACTS.....

:goodnight:

BTW Gene. Starting WWIII is not a good cure at all.:bonkers:

 

[damoroso]

Texas?

If memory serves, Texas was a separate entity from the United States and was at war with Mexico prior to the annexation of Texas at their request. This entered the US into the Mexican American war and included the Mexican Cessation which included both Mexico and the US claiming territory. But then again, I'm no history major (hell I'm not even a college grad!!) so I could be wrong!!!!

 

[damoroso]

BTW, another thing I really appreciate about this fourth is that by and large even with significant differences of opinion, we can have a civil discussion. Thanks!

 

[mrvette]

we grab all the islamic wealth via computers, we eliminate all islamic power stations, starting with Iran, meaning electric, naval, nuclear, .gov, .worship, .com and ALL of it, bridges, ports, the works, take them into the stone age in about 6 hours......or less.....then when the rest of them sick bastards get the message, we take the rest of them out.....

Guess what?? a electric power plant hit with a MIRV off a sub missile on the boiler does??? right.....blackout....

those iran nuclear sites....underground?? simple, hit the egress and exit tunnels, blow the power, blow the AIR and they all DIE

Tell me that Satellite surveillance can't spot those in/out ducts??? ********....

blow the bridges, ports, on top of it, reduce islam to nothing, whence they came...with OUR money....at time of WW2 they were nothing, and because of OIL WE made them something, so WE can take it away....

and honestly I could care less, after some 30 years of this terrorism....

take them all out back and cap them.....no trials no mosques....they simply have to be eliminated.....

FACE FACTS.....

:goodnight:

BTW Gene. Starting WWIII is not a good cure at all.:bonkers:

YGTBFKM, we go all out against the entire islam cult, it be over in 6 weeks or less.....with nukes on first strike on our part....they want fancy, bring it on muvvafuckers@@@@!!!!!

In fact on OUR first strike, WE wipe out all the high ASSholy places like Medina and Messina....figger a 2000 lbs bomb or whatever we can deliver on their highest holy daze.....dead seriously.....take out their cult from top down....pick them off as necessary, they starve in the deserts from the attempt at civilization we gave them.....forever and ever....dead seriously....

:flash:

 

[mrvette]

Texas?

If memory serves, Texas was a separate entity from the United States and was at war with Mexico prior to the annexation of Texas at their request. This entered the US into the Mexican American war and included the Mexican Cessation which included both Mexico and the US claiming territory. But then again, I'm no history major (hell I'm not even a college grad!!) so I could be wrong!!!!

BTW, another thing I really appreciate about this fourth is that by and large even with significant differences of opinion, we can have a civil discussion. Thanks!

Dave, you pretty much right in the first post, you must have been educated before the time of the leftist/commie take over of the 'public schools'......

and the second post is appreciated.....long as the liberals know when their assed are kicked......:goodnight:

Lets get one thing straight, I have this 68 y/o inherited trait of going after liberals, and it got well engrained decades ago, and damn to HELL if I lever let it go, ......never I will beat them to hell on the last breath....and stand up and walk away.....

Liberals and PROGRESSIVES, socialists, communists, etc..are the same ilk....and considered thieves by me.....they ALL have their political hands out for the 'poor' while they all profit greatly and don't do ****, but collect the votes....

Sorry to be SO MEAN, but I know too much, been in that sick Wash DC climate 53 years....

the stories I could tell have never been mentioned on this forum, but we never got political much,.....

 

[bobs77vet]

BTW, another thing I really appreciate about this fourth is that by and large even with significant differences of opinion, we can have a civil discussion. Thanks!

well except for gene who wants to kill a whole **** load of people thats a new acronym WSLOP.

 

[mrvette]

BTW, another thing I really appreciate about this fourth is that by and large even with significant differences of opinion, we can have a civil discussion. Thanks!

well except for gene who wants to kill a whole **** load of people thats a new acronym WSLOP.

??? if you think for a second I backing off on eliminating islam cult from face of the earth, not one inch, they simple must change or die, their choice....

or go back to the 1930's when they rode camels in the deserts and give up any chance at modern life.....their choice and I could care less either way....

:yahoo::flash::rofl:

 

[bobs77vet]

Texas?

If memory serves, Texas was a separate entity from the United States and was at war with Mexico prior to the annexation of Texas at their request. This entered the US into the Mexican American war and included the Mexican Cessation which included both Mexico and the US claiming territory. But then again, I'm no history major (hell I'm not even a college grad!!) so I could be wrong!!!!

heres a link on the war its kind of interesting, but the bottom line is we took way more then what was originally in the "texas province" and treaties signed at gun point are hardly unbiased

http://mexicanhistory.org/MexicanAmericanWarTimeline.htm


"1848
Jan 24 gold discovered at Sutter's Mill, in Coloma, California

Feb 2 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo signed. America takes California,Nevada,Utah,Colorado,Arizona and New Mexico, Mexico loses 55% of its pre war territory. (2/3 if Texas is included) America pays $15 million in compensation and assumes responsibility for $3,5 million in claims by U.S. citizens against Mexico.Mexicans living in lands ceded ( about 80,000) were to be treated as U.S. citizens.

July 31 last of 18,300 American troops depart Mexico"

 

[bobs77vet]

thats why we need to get the hell out of the area they are happy being a third world country and despise our modern way of life so i think we should let them have their stone age ways

 

[big2bird]

we grab all the islamic wealth via computers, we eliminate all islamic power stations, starting with Iran, meaning electric, naval, nuclear, .gov, .worship, .com and ALL of it, bridges, ports, the works, take them into the stone age in about 6 hours......or less.....then when the rest of them sick bastards get the message, we take the rest of them out.....

Guess what?? a electric power plant hit with a MIRV off a sub missile on the boiler does??? right.....blackout....

those iran nuclear sites....underground?? simple, hit the egress and exit tunnels, blow the power, blow the AIR and they all DIE

Tell me that Satellite surveillance can't spot those in/out ducts??? ********....

blow the bridges, ports, on top of it, reduce islam to nothing, whence they came...with OUR money....at time of WW2 they were nothing, and because of OIL WE made them something, so WE can take it away....

and honestly I could care less, after some 30 years of this terrorism....

take them all out back and cap them.....no trials no mosques....they simply have to be eliminated.....

FACE FACTS.....

:goodnight:

BTW Gene. Starting WWIII is not a good cure at all.:bonkers:

YGTBFKM, we go all out against the entire islam cult, it be over in 6 weeks or less.....with nukes on first strike on our part....they want fancy, bring it on muvvafuckers@@@@!!!!!

In fact on OUR first strike, WE wipe out all the high ASSholy places like Medina and Messina....figger a 2000 lbs bomb or whatever we can deliver on their highest holy daze.....dead seriously.....take out their cult from top down....pick them off as necessary, they starve in the deserts from the attempt at civilization we gave them.....forever and ever....dead seriously....

:flash:

Perhaps we could reopen Auzwhitz. Genocide is not what we do Gene.