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Back to the topic at hand, in our local club we have a young guy who built a 550hp (700hp on the spray) c5. He drives it to and from work every day. But he also takes it to the track for "Midnight Mayhem" a couple dozen times a year. To my knowledge, he doesn't race it on the street, maybe just some "spirited" driving now and then. But he wanted the fastest street Corvette in town and I think he's pretty close. Something to be said for being able to drive your car to the track, lay down an 11 second 1/4 mile time, then drive it home, if that's your thing.
Dep, you know, I have guns, lots of guns, and lots of ammo. I could wage jihad against the musloids if I wanted, but I don't. My guns and ammo are there because I enjoy going out to the desert and killing rocks in a variety of ways. But I suppose with your rationale, I should only have one gun to go out target shooting because that's all I need. Right?

Nope. And keep those guns cleaned and functional. You may need them in the future ;)

Guns are like golf clubs. Just one ain't gonna do you no good. They are SPECIALIZED tools. Same thing with a Vette. I mean you'd have to be nuts to use a Vette to haul lumber and steel pipe from the hardware store. Right?
I won't even get into the practicality of having only two seats. :)

For me, I can't see having one car that "does it all". That's why I have a pickup truck. It will haul around the car that does the racing. Cars that are hopped up have a bad habit of malfunctioning at the most inconvenient time. Plus what I am building won't be streetable anyway.
 
I dont want to race my car, BUT I want 500hp if I can or at least near that.
It's my toy car.

My wife has a Mustang GT, I dont think she needs all those hp's to get the groceries,, yet IF she can get a hold on a Shelby GT500.... she will,

It's only a matter of time before she does.
She retires next feb. and she's set on finding one as her "retirement gift".

And why not???
 
Maybe Dep will sell you his "carbon credits.":rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
I guess if you're mentally somewhat stabil then it's ok to have 400+ HP and drive it on he street ... :bounce:

over the past 12 years I have put 100k miles on my Z28, then 30K on my C6, and maybe 5K on the C3 ... all these cars have/had close to 400 HP and I have not had an accident, killed somebody, street raced or crashed the cars....

It's not the car, it's not the HP ... it's the idiot behind the steering wheel that is the problem!!! some stupid moron can street race and/or kill somebody with a 90HP Civic....

Is 500HP on the street overkill ? hell yes..... but what's wrong with that ??? My 55" flatscreen that is dedicated to my PS3 is overkill too, but I think it's perfectly fine :D
 
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This is NOT the late 60s-early 70s. Those were the days of street racing and REALLY hot cars being driven on the street. Ask any of the old geezers on here who remember those days. There were guys driving full race strip cars on the street.

Psst. I am quite sure there were speed limits then too. ;)
 
If you do it right, it's perfectly possible to drive a high horsepower car comfortably on street/highways. By doing it right, you have to have reasonable torque at off idle rpms to gently pull away from stop signs, and you have to have a final gear ratio so that you can drive at 70 mph with a reasonable engine rpm.

1) My 68 Convertible. A ZZ4 Hot Can engine. I forget, 395 or 405 flywheel hp? Probably 2800 to 2850 pounds car weight. Perfectly streetable. It cruises at ~2000 rpm at 70 mph. Even with the Hot Cam option, it's starts out in first gear with only a little bit of clutch slip. Tranny is a TKO600 with a 3.55:1 differential. I get good gas mileage with the 68.

2)My 08. Supercharged LS3. 580 rear wheel hp on the A&A Corvettes dyno. Driving with ambient street/freeway traffic, my engine rpm are almost never above 2000 rpm. At 70 mph on the freeway, I cruise at 1700 rpm. At engine rpm below 2500 rpm, the centrifugal supercharger is completely inert, especially since the blow-off by-pass valve is open. At WOT, you can tell at 2500 rpm you're getting more hp. At 3000 rpm, you've got full boost. I'm still feeling my way along with this car. My big concern is getting a gear shift (automatic tranny) at about 60 mph or so that causes the rear wheels to break loose. I've been warned that the supercharger will overwhelm the computerized traction control at high engine rpm. 27 mpg with the supercharged 08.

3) My 69 with an L88 Clone engine and a Richmond 5 speed and a 3.08:1 diff. (The Richmond 5th gears have a 1:1 ratio, not unlike the TKOs 0.64:1 ratio.) The L88 was supposedly a 550 flywheel hp engine. It had a 12.5:1 compression ratio, and I milled my pistons down to 11.5:1. Maybe I was getting 500 flywheel hp. This car was perfectly streetable. The L88 had a long duration cam, with the Richmond and a 50 pound flywheel, I had no trouble rolling away from a stop sign on a city street. With the tires of the 70's and 80's I could spin the tires between shifts at full throttle. If I didn't get on the throttle the car was gentle and normal to drive. (OK, the clutch was a little stiff on this car and the Hooker headers meant on a long drive it was hard on your ears.) With my L88 clone, 20 gallons of gasoline would get me to Las Vegas (300 miles) with fuel to spare.

............bottom line. You can comfortably drive very powerful cars in normal city street and highway driving if the engine/gear ratios are compatible,and.........you have a gentle foot on the accelerator.
 
This is NOT the late 60s-early 70s. Those were the days of street racing and REALLY hot cars being driven on the street. Ask any of the old geezers on here who remember those days. There were guys driving full race strip cars on the street.

Psst. I am quite sure there were speed limits then too. ;)

Wrong oh ancient one! I dinstinctly remember driving through Montana on my way to Ft. Lewis, WA to finish out my enlistment in Uncle Sammie's big green machine. When you crossed the border on the Interstate, there was a big sign that said "speed limit whatever is reasonable and proper for existing conditions". I was cruisign along at 75 MPH and people were blowing past me like I was standing still. So I promptly floored my 1969 Mustang Gt adn drove at somewhere above 120MPH through the whoel state. Or at least, my speedometer was buried the whole time.

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/12/25/us/montana-s-speed-limit-of-mph-is-overturned-as-too-vague.html
 
you have a gentle foot on the accelerator.

And there is the hook. When you HAVE gobs of horsepower, it's human nature to want to USE it. I mean after all, you PAID for all those ponies. You can toot around in a Chevy Cobalt and get from point A to pint B for a lot less money. I just don't buy that people spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars for a mega-horsepower car, and then drive around like Mom and Pop going to church on Sunday. Is it possible to do? Of course. Is it likely that it is done by the owner of that car...I don't think so. Paying a small fortune for "bragging rights" about the size or horsepower of the engine is just plain crazy. Much cheaper to just buy some cubic inch emblems and glue them on the hood.
 
And there is the hook. When you HAVE gobs of horsepower, it's human nature to want to USE it..

I got to admit. Street racing is some of the most exciting **** i've ever done. When i bought my GN, i was out at least 2 nights a week for about a 5 year period. That was in the heydays when Coxfax ave was just loaded with hotrods Friday and Saturday nights.
 
This is NOT the late 60s-early 70s. Those were the days of street racing and REALLY hot cars being driven on the street. Ask any of the old geezers on here who remember those days. There were guys driving full race strip cars on the street.

Psst. I am quite sure there were speed limits then too. ;)

Wrong oh ancient one! I dinstinctly remember driving through Montana on my way to Ft. Lewis, WA to finish out my enlistment in Uncle Sammie's big green machine. When you crossed the border on the Interstate, there was a big sign that said "speed limit whatever is reasonable and proper for existing conditions". I was cruisign along at 75 MPH and people were blowing past me like I was standing still. So I promptly floored my 1969 Mustang Gt adn drove at somewhere above 120MPH through the whoel state. Or at least, my speedometer was buried the whole time.

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/12/25/us/montana-s-speed-limit-of-mph-is-overturned-as-too-vague.html

:lol: I thought we were talking street racing. Montana, not so much.:lol:
I grew up in So. Cal buddy. Drove when I was 14 along the Salton Sea. Posted speed limit, 75.(In the middle of nowhere).
Got my first speeding ticket in front of Disneyland. 45 in a posted 35.
Went to OCIR and Irwindale on Weds nights for bracket racing, where the CHP watched everyone leave.
Cruised Whittier Blvd on Sat nights, and everyone got pulled over for burnt out tail lights.
1975 saw the national "double nickel" 55 speed limit. Cross country driving was agonisingly slow.
Speeding and street racing was every bit as illegal then as now. Just not as "expensive" when caught.:noworry:
 
you have a gentle foot on the accelerator.

And there is the hook. When you HAVE gobs of horsepower, it's human nature to want to USE it. I mean after all, you PAID for all those ponies. You can toot around in a Chevy Cobalt and get from point A to pint B for a lot less money. I just don't buy that people spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars for a mega-horsepower car, and then drive around like Mom and Pop going to church on Sunday. Is it possible to do? Of course. Is it likely that it is done by the owner of that car...I don't think so. Paying a small fortune for "bragging rights" about the size or horsepower of the engine is just plain crazy. Much cheaper to just buy some cubic inch emblems and glue them on the hood.[/QUOTE]

I had vinyl letters on the back of my goat.....CDLV anyone any clue what it meant??

:clap::clap::surrender:
 
And there is the hook. When you HAVE gobs of horsepower, it's human nature to want to USE it..

I got to admit. Street racing is some of the most exciting **** i've ever done. When i bought my GN, i was out at least 2 nights a week for about a 5 year period. That was in the heydays when Coxfax ave was just loaded with hotrods Friday and Saturday nights.

Exactly right Turtle. I have no doubt all of us who were around back then did some street racing and had a blast. More fun than going to the strip and a lot less expensive. Of course, if we said that at CF, we'd be banned instantly. And a mod has already appeaered over there and warned against talking about it. But street racing has become a lost art. At least, the style of racing we did.
 
Hey Dep, how much HP does your corvette now have and how does it run?

Using the Corvette Forum version of horsepower measurement, it has 580HP and runs the 1/4 mile in the 11s. :)

Here's a pic of me with it taken by my wife yesterday. Note how I cleverly hid the front of the car ;)

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Drag protest

I participated in the 'Drag protest' August 1960 in San Diego...a buddy and i both were tear gassed when police showed up to break it up. The local newspapers refered to it as a drag riot...

Link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Cajon_Boulevard_Riot

A couple pics:

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Dragstrip60B.jpg


More here:

Drag-strip racing had been growing in popularity for many years. By 1959, there were an estimated 200 drag strips in the United States. Racers in San Diego used what was called the country's oldest official drag-race course, a retired airstrip on Paradise Mesa east of National City. A new housing development closed the Paradise track in 1959. With no other drag strips available, hot rodders used an old Navy airfield near Miramar Naval Air Station called Hourglass Field. Races sponsored by the California Sports Car Club were held on a 1.8-mile track. Unsanctioned drag racing also took place while the Navy turned a blind eye. But when a racing accident hurt four people Aug. 6, 1960, the Navy closed the field. Car clubs lobbied city and county officials for a drag-racing site. San Diego Police Chief A.E. Jansen was unsympathetic, saying, “Drag strips actually stimulate highway recklessness among those viewing such contests.” One car-club member cautioned, “If we don't get the strip, cars will be dragging in the streets.” The warning would prove prophetic.

In mid-August, fliers began appearing at drive-in theaters, coffee shops and car-club headquarters announcing a “mass protest meeting” on El Cajon Boulevard at 1 a.m. Sunday, Aug. 21. A disc jockey, Dick Boynton of KDEO, spread the news to listeners. That night, hundreds of teenagers and young adults began gathering along the boulevard. About 1 a.m., some in the crowd blocked off the street and began racing. Between 35th and 40th streets, “cars, of all models and shapes, raced two abreast,” the Union reported. “Thousands of spectators lined the sidewalk and center island, leaving almost no room for the cars to pass.” More than 65 police officers moved in about 2 a.m. and ordered the demonstrators to disperse. Throwing tear-gas grenades at the feet of the spectators, they waded into the crowd with riot sticks. “Almost everyone was running toward their cars,” a witness recalled. “Other people were on the ground, unable to run because of the tear gas.” About 100 demonstrators stood their ground at a service station lot and “threw a barrage of soft-drink bottles and rocks at the police.” Three young men broke into the Coca-Cola bottling plant on 38th Street, cracked open cases of Coke and began heaving glass bottles over a fence at the police. It took three hours to quell the “mob,” estimated at 3,000, the Los Angeles Times reported. Two police officers were hurt; others had their uniforms torn. A few officers lost their guns in the melee. Eighty adult demonstrators and 36 juveniles were arrested. For the ID technicians in the Police Records Bureau, it was quite a night. Two techs on duty the day after, a Monday, were swamped with fingerprint cards that had to be checked for warrants or prior arrests through huge index name files. The cards then were classified and searched individually in numerous drawers crammed with thousands of fingerprint cards from previous years. That Monday night brought more unrest and fingerprint cards for the harried ID techs. Cruising in caravans in San Diego and El Cajon, drag racers taunted police. About 100 people were arrested – some charged with disorderly conduct, others with weapons violations. More than 30 juveniles were picked up for curfew violations. Two days later, police arrested a printer named Herbert Sturdyvin, 20, on suspicion of conspiracy in the printing and distribution of the mimeographed fliers that police blamed for the original mass demonstration. Sturdyvin was released without having to post bail and was never charged.

The following weekend, police braced for more disorder rumored to be stirred from sympathizers coming from Los Angeles. The demonstrations failed to materialize. After the riot, new demands were heard in the community for an authorized drag strip. The San Diego City Council promised to appoint a committee to “study the possibilities.” The president of the National Hot Rod Association pledged help from his organization in getting an official strip, but insisted that enthusiasts would have to “reform” their conduct. Eventually, the campaign for a drag strip was rewarded. The San Diego Raceway opened in Ramona in 1963 and operated until it became a runway for Ramona Airport. The Carlsbad Raceway which would be called, at the time, the "Best Drag Strip in the Country," opened in 1964 and hosted drag racing until the track closed in 2004.
 
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nope, it was just too easy LOL

:club::eek::) not trying to blast warm fuzzy air up anyone's ass, BUT just ONE person up north in the DC region knew what it meant without asking.....

and NO ONE here in Jax Fl. but to be fair the car only lasted here about 1.5 years before I sold it, no need to keep it, and it suffered greatly under the filthy trees in the sunlight so it went south to Miami, I was told....
 
And there is the hook. When you HAVE gobs of horsepower, it's human nature to want to USE it..

I got to admit. Street racing is some of the most exciting **** i've ever done. When i bought my GN, i was out at least 2 nights a week for about a 5 year period. That was in the heydays when Coxfax ave was just loaded with hotrods Friday and Saturday nights.

Exactly right Turtle. I have no doubt all of us who were around back then did some street racing and had a blast. More fun than going to the strip and a lot less expensive. Of course, if we said that at CF, we'd be banned instantly. And a mod has already appeaered over there and warned against talking about it. But street racing has become a lost art. At least, the style of racing we did.

Well not totally lost. Back in the 60's we frequented a place down along the North St. Louis River front called Hall Street. It was a long, straight as an arrow, street where trucking companies had their depots. Got my first ticket down there in 68 in my 67 BB vert. That BB Vette was hot stuff back then. :bounce: Think it cost me $60 and 2 points.:hissyfit: The traffic was lined up for 1/4 mile waiting their turn to launch down the street. We used to have guys set up along Hall street with walkie-talkie's on the lookout for cops. Hell I remember one guy rolled a rail off a trailer and fired it up for a run.:eek: Yep those were the good old days.

BTW, they are still at it today, albeit a little more tame.

http://youtu.be/J3nAZSC8sbI
 
BTW, they are still at it today, albeit a little more tame.

http://youtu.be/J3nAZSC8sbI

That looks a bit crazy to me. I would be uncomfortable with that.

We used to run in a desserted area when the Denver Intl Airport was being constructed. Only around a dozen cars would be there. Low key.

Also did a lot of legal racing at Bandemere and here in New England at Epping.
 
I outta HS in '62, Dad moved the family up to River Road, which paralleled the Potomac River, out past Potomac Md, about 6 miles or so.....

In those most early daze I didn't know much about River Road dragaway....

2 lane out in the hills for a good flat stretch....and so it seem by my recollection thing went well until it became SO huge the cops noticed, and about that time some nitwit off loaded some sort of flat out dragster....nothing like top fuel, but it did look sort of like one....

I have to ask a old racing buddy from ~45 years ago, as to his recollections....

I will copy/paste here when he replies.....

:censored:
 
Hey Dep, how much HP does your corvette now have and how does it run?

Using the Corvette Forum version of horsepower measurement, it has 580HP and runs the 1/4 mile in the 11s. :)

Here's a pic of me with it taken by my wife yesterday. Note how I cleverly hid the front of the car ;)

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Geez Dep, didn't think you would ever post a pic of yourself again! A few people had fun with it last time as I recall.
 
BTW, they are still at it today, albeit a little more tame.

http://youtu.be/J3nAZSC8sbI

That looks a bit crazy to me. I would be uncomfortable with that.

We used to run in a desserted area when the Denver Intl Airport was being constructed. Only around a dozen cars would be there. Low key.

Also did a lot of legal racing at Bandemere and here in New England at Epping.

Ditto for me. Good grief, that looks like pandemonium!!! Ours was much more subdued and regimented. We had a street along a military airport with the start-finish lines marked off. It was very business like. We arranged the race at McDonals. Then drove to Lehigh Road and lined up the cars. Someone flashed their headlights and the race started. There was ZERO traffic on the other side and the police could only come from two different direction s and we could see them from far away.
 
Geez Dep, didn't think you would ever post a pic of yourself again! A few people had fun with it last time as I recall.

LOL...I remember that on CF. I was going under the name RoboDep and was the "self-appointed moderator" over there. LOL...I had a blast with that. :smash:
 
OLD friend's reply.....my email below....

There was many a race out on River Road, and they had wide Start and Finish lines painted precisely 1320 feet apart. The location was a bit west of the Partnership Road intersection, and I made numerous impromptu runs down that patch of asphalt. There was a huge 200-car event going on in the summer of 1960 when a coordinated attack by the county and state police nabbed just about everybody. That pretty much ended the organized racing there.




In a thread talking about street racing back in the day, lots of recollections about various illegal drag strips on public streets....



So the remember of River Road Dragaway.....



Some story about a fueler/gasser? Being off loaded and so made a pass....



But the cops shut it down badly.....



What is your recollection??
 
Paying a small fortune for "bragging rights" about the size or horsepower of the engine is just plain crazy. Much cheaper to just buy some cubic inch emblems and glue them on the hood.

First of all, I have yet to tell hardly anyone I have a supercharger. Except for this forum and CF, I've probably only told three or four people that I have a supercharger. I don't have anything on my car that indicates it has a supercharger, and I declined to have the inside window custom pillar with fuel pressure and boost pressure gauges. As for the emblems, etc. they aren't there. A filling station attendant did ask me about the whirring sound from the engine. You can't hear the sc inside the car at idle.

You simply just don't understand the point. The acceleration you get is just euphoric. Andy, who installed my supercharger (A&A Supercharger), tells of customers who come back and just want more and more hp. It can be addictive. Sunday early morning a week ago, I was in an industrial area and could see at least 1/4 mile of free road in front. Enough for a ~1/8 mile run. I floor boarded it and as rpm started going above 3000 rpm, I backed off on the throttle a little. At gear shift I got a tail shake. The traction control kept the car in a straight line. I unfortunately paniced. I immediately took my foot off of the accelerator. I'm been trying to tell myself not to do that. If the rear end breaks loose, I think it's better to pull most of the throttle off, but not all. Anyhow, another incremental learning process with this car. I'm trying to learn how to drive it without becoming a statistic.

.....bottom line....big hp emblems aren't a substitute for the real thing.
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I read of people in car magazines building up C6's with 1000 hp+. A stock Z06 with a supercharger easily makes over 700 rear wheel hp. I'd like to hear of some first hand experiences as to how people can control these cars. You can see a lot of people with stock Z06's and ZR1's loosing control of them on YouTube.
 
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Paying a small fortune for "bragging rights" about the size or horsepower of the engine is just plain crazy. Much cheaper to just buy some cubic inch emblems and glue them on the hood.

First of all, I have yet to tell hardly anyone I have a supercharger. Except for this forum and CF, I've probably only told three or four people that I have a supercharger. I don't have anything on my car that indicates it has a supercharger, and I declined to have the inside window custom pillar with fuel pressure and boost pressure gauges. As for the emblems, etc. they aren't there. A filling station attendant did ask me about the whirring sound from the engine. You can't hear the sc inside the car at idle.

You simply just don't understand the point. The acceleration you get is just euphoric. Andy, who installed my supercharger (A&A Supercharger), tells of customers who come back and just want more and more hp. It can be addictive. Sunday early morning a week ago, I was in an industrial area and could see at least 1/4 mile of free road in front. Enough for a ~1/8 mile run. I floor boarded it and as rpm started going above 3000 rpm, I backed off on the throttle a little. At gear shift I got a tail shake. The traction control kept the car in a straight line. I unfortunately paniced. I immediately took my foot off of the accelerator. I'm been trying to tell myself not to do that. If the rear end breaks loose, I think it's better to pull most of the throttle off, but not all. Anyhow, another incremental learning process with this car. I'm trying to learn how to drive it without becoming a statistic.

.....bottom line....big hp emblems aren't a substitute for the real thing.
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I read of people in car magazines building up C6's with 1000 hp+. A stock Z06 with a supercharger easily makes over 700 rear wheel hp. I'd like to hear of some first hand experiences as to how people can control these cars. You can see a lot of people with stock Z06's and ZR1's loosing control of them on YouTube.

Good grief...YouTube!!!! ROFLMAO. I don't think I would base much on YouTube. The main thing is IF you build a monster HP engine, you have to have to do the rest of the car too. Too many guys bulid a monster HP motor and leave the rest of the car stock. Quite simply, the Vette wasn't made to handle all that HP. The REAL bottom line is you need a completely balanced approach to build a performance car. Just bolting in gobs of HP ain't gonna do it. You DON'T HAVE the "real thing" if you have tons of HP and can't effectively control it or put it to the road. You're better off just bolting on big hp emblems and NOT having a potential death car.:suicide:

BTW...save yourself doing time with Big Bubba at the county jail and next time do your testing on the track. The Murphy Factor is always present and killing some kid on a bicycle or skateboard that you didn't expect to be there is not a good thing. You will (literally) spend the rest of your life regretting it.
 
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