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Hey Red. I wouldn't bother to let DB or CF mods know the mo is there. You owe them nothing. Lets see how long it takes for them to check here to confirm you got it:yahoo:

:skeptic:

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What's this, are you soliciting to be this forums "conscience" like he is theirs over there? :amazed::crap:

:huh:Funny..but no
 
Hey Red. I wouldn't bother to let DB or CF mods know the mo is there. You owe them nothing. Lets see how long it takes for them to check here to confirm you got it:yahoo:

They likely already read it here ...

I'd post it publicly over there and include a link to the conspiracy post for those who don't know the whole story yet....

True...but they will just lock down any thread that even links to DB integrity:rolleyes:

you mean LACK of integrity and LACK of knowledge...and don`t worry they will "spin" it so he can once again blame those evil VM guys for all his troubles....all 800 of them
 
Mike,
finally you have your money back, that's awesome:thumbs:

Now you can start a new thread about the heads you're going to buy :bounce:
 
Hey Red. I wouldn't bother to let DB or CF mods know the mo is there. You owe them nothing. Lets see how long it takes for them to check here to confirm you got it:yahoo:

They likely already read it here ...

I'd post it publicly over there and include a link to the conspiracy post for those who don't know the whole story yet....

True...but they will just lock down any thread that even links to DB integrity:rolleyes:

you mean LACK of integrity and LACK of knowledge...and don`t worry they will "spin" it so he can once again blame those evil VM guys for all his troubles....all 800 of them

The fresh flow of new sewage has officially begun. :sos:
 
All Vette owners are not thieving liars so don't let it dampen your view of everyone;)

Hey Red. I wouldn't bother to let DB or CF mods know the mo is there. You owe them nothing. Lets see how long it takes for them to check here to confirm you got it:yahoo:

:skeptic:

............

What's this, are you soliciting to be this forums "conscience" like he is theirs over there? :amazed::crap:

Right is right and wrong is wrong.

I think it's time to give it a rest and move on. You'd think this guy is a terrorist or something.

Don't give me a bunch of crap about being a pussy. I was the first of any of you to get into it with him.
 
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All Vette owners are not thieving liars so don't let it dampen your view of everyone;)

Hey Red. I wouldn't bother to let DB or CF mods know the mo is there. You owe them nothing. Lets see how long it takes for them to check here to confirm you got it:yahoo:

:skeptic:

............

What's this, are you soliciting to be this forums "conscience" like he is theirs over there? :amazed::crap:

:huh:Funny..but no

I was quoting turtle :) not you ;)
 
...this guy is a terrorist...
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In defense of D_boy (!!)

OK, my last (I hope!) entry into this fray...

In a perverted defense of D-boy, I must say that he provides a service that many are willing to partake of. As long as this 'service' is accepted & even appreciated elsewhere, who among us should care? Those who like it will continue to accept it, those who don't can refute it, ignore it or leave altogether. Those who profit from it will encourage it. Periodically he steps over the bounds which is where he gets jumped on, deservedly so. Also as often it is but a trifling matter not worthy of the energy expended. But he does have a vast following of believers, who are we to force our beliefs onto them?
We here all know the problems we have with him, some serious in our eyes, some less so. But he cannot & will not see or accept them --as many of his followers cannot either. Those are their problems, not ours. Only rarely, and usually only when we seek a specific one out to pursue, do we have any reason to interfere with what goes on there. None among us is perfect--although even I can say that I've never before come across anyone who professes to be more perfect than he, even in spite of evidence to the contrary.
One thing we should all be thankful for: he keeps the morons, riff-raff, and stooges located complacently together in one place. The smart ones learn & move on, the not-so-smart ones will keep coming back happily. The Kool-Aid tastes good, after all. I for one do not want VetteMOD to achieve the popularity or population of CF for it will then become subject to the same pitfalls, and degrade towards the same level of behaviors
Periodically VM recieve refugees from 'there' seeking a better place. That, I think, is the best reason for VM's existance. To gather together those with a common bond which disagrees with the corporate for-profit feel-good no-conflict political line. Let CF be Fox News & MSNBC combined. VM should take pride in being independant, non-beholden to any corporate or accounting-office-numbers-driven-bottom-line. This allows it to have more free will, self-determination, & integrity.
Let CF remain a small division in a large national corporate franchise network, just one more of many other interests run by committees of purely profit-driven executives in oak-paneled offices on the 43rd floor of a downtown office buiding.
Let VM stay the small independent shop personally run by a few strong men with greasy, calloused hands down on the shop floor where personal service & honesty are the highest priority.
Let the homogenous mass media provide the corporately manufactured desires of the sheeple, VM will be here on the shortwave bands for those few who jump the fence & seek alternative ways of thought. (sorry for the mixed metaphores).

May (IB)CF live long & prosper, so that VM may accept the rejects, rebels & misfits to build a strong, pure, cohesive, unpolluted organization outside of the corporate sphere of influence.

There can be no yin without yang.

John (the anti-Gene! :D)

(ps: I will copy this over to MG as well, I can't write this **** twice.)
 
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Right is right and wrong is wrong.
unfortunately he doesn`t know the difference

I think it's time to give it a rest and move on. You'd think this guy is a terrorist or something.
If this was an isolated incident I might (remember I said MIGHT) agree with you but this clown has a propensity for lying, stealing and cheating...

Don't give me a bunch of crap about being a pussy. I was the first of any of you to get into it with him.[/QUOTE] and alot of good that did, he`s still at it
 
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Originally Posted by BRUTAL64 View Post
Don't be shy here, say what you really think.


I have nothing aginst DB myself. BUT!!! What we have read here and on VM is very damning for DB. I have tried to help him a number of times myself. I have read his posts on CF and found them ......well.... "wanting"...(for lack of a better term) in detail and some not even close to being correct. I hope all this will be done with when RED gets his money (which according to RED should be soon).
Afraid I have to agree with you, sorry to have to come to that conclusion....
" quote

ME.....:

I too have talked with him over this problem last month in fact as I recall was the last .comm on it....I have to delete files for over crapasshity about once a month.....

so the notes are gone....but at this point, I have to agree with most of the above, and Glad Mike/RED, got his money back, if the m/o don't bounce....




Anti GENE....very funny.....I agree with your concept Jphil, but you ignore ONE main salient point, just WHO has to out of the generosity of their pockets, pay the BILLS and do the efforts to keep the site running seems to me the efforts need be paid for, much less the certainty of the BILLS/costs being paid....

but I have no stake in VM or here for that matter, or there, never did contribute any money, really....do business like all of us with sponsors, so they can pay for addy work...what goes around comes around, and Jphil is a a olde tyme hippie I guess....


:shocking::hissyfit:
 
....and Jphil is a a olde tyme hippie I guess....


:shocking::hissyfit:




He turned fifty-five last Sunday
And his hair is gone or gray
But he still ain't changed his lifestyle
He likes it better the old way
So he grows a little garden in the back yard by the fence
He's consuming what he's growing nowadays in self defense
He get's out there in the twilight zone
Sometimes when it just don't make no sense

He gets off on blues & techno
The new country music leaves him cold
He's got young friends into punk rock
But he's just too friggin' old
And he dreams at night of Woodstock and the day John Lennon died
How the music made him happy and the silence made him cry
Yeah he thinks of John sometimes
And he has to wonder why

He's an old hippie and he don't know what to do
Should he hang on to the old
Should he grab on to the new
He's an old hippie...his new life is just a bust
He ain't trying to change nobody
He's just trying real hard to adjust

He was sure back in the sixties that everyone was hip
Then they sent him off to Vietnam on his senior trip
And they forced him to become a man while he was still a boy
And in each wave of tragedy he waited for the joy
Now this world may change around him
But he just can't change no more

He's an old hippie and he don't know what to do
Should he hang on to the old
Should he grab on to the new
He's an old hippie...his new life is just a bust
He ain't trying to change nobody
He's just trying real hard to adjust

Well he stays away a lot now from the parties and the clubs
And he's thinking while he's joggin' 'round
Sure is glad he quit the hard drugs
Cause him and his kind get more endangered everyday
And pretty soon the species will just up and fade away
Like the smoke from that torpedo...just up and fade away

He's an old hippie and he don't know what to do
Should he hang on to the old
Should he grab on to the new
He's an old hippie...his new life is just a bust
He ain't trying to change nobody
He's just trying real hard to adjust.
 
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....and Jphil is a a olde tyme hippie I guess....


:shocking::hissyfit:




He turned fifty-five last Sunday
And his hair is gone or gray
But he still ain't changed his lifestyle
He likes it better the old way
So he grows a little garden in the back yard by the fence
He's consuming what he's growing nowadays in self defense
He get's out there in the twilight zone
Sometimes when it just don't make no sense

He gets off on blues & techno
The new country music leaves him cold
He's got young friends into punk rock
But he's just too friggin' old
And he dreams at night of Woodstock and the day John Lennon died
How the music made him happy and the silence made him cry
Yeah he thinks of John sometimes
And he has to wonder why

He's an old hippie and he don't know what to do
Should he hang on to the old
Should he grab on to the new
He's an old hippie...his new life is just a bust
He ain't trying to change nobody
He's just trying real hard to adjust

He was sure back in the sixties that everyone was hip
Then they sent him off to Vietnam on his senior trip
And they forced him to become a man while he was still a boy
And in each wave of tragedy he waited for the joy
Now this world may change around him
But he just can't change no more

He's an old hippie and he don't know what to do
Should he hang on to the old
Should he grab on to the new
He's an old hippie...his new life is just a bust
He ain't trying to change nobody
He's just trying real hard to adjust

Well he stays away a lot now from the parties and the clubs
And he's thinking while he's joggin' 'round
Sure is glad he quit the hard drugs
Cause him and his kind get more endangered everyday
And pretty soon the species will just up and fade away
Like the smoke from that torpedo...just up and fade away

He's an old hippie and he don't know what to do
Should he hang on to the old
Should he grab on to the new
He's an old hippie...his new life is just a bust
He ain't trying to change nobody
He's just trying real hard to adjust.

DAMN dude, who wrote that??? YOU???

good piece of writing at any rate....

I sympathize with it more than maybe apparent...

:loveletter:
 
No I didn't write it. It's an old Bellamy Brothers song. I changed a couple words--made him 55 and likin' blues & techno.
Here's a later 'updated' version they came out with, another long time ago....



http://www.imeem.com/people/n9i17Am/music/fHEvE_pX/bellamy_brothers_hes_still_an_old_hippie/

I never been any pop music fan for some 50+ years now, back in my listening daze I was into Jazz, blues, bluegrass (white mans' blues), some classical, and totally freeked out when a symphony lost their hair and rocked out on occasion....
Lover of the massive pipe organs appearing in major Cathedrals, and have heard a couple of clips when playing funky music too....major accomplishment when you know how they work.....BIL sat at the keyboard in the WASH National Cathedral a few times....

a old buddy from HS, who later in life was a tech support at the local CBS station to get his name on the scroll page at end of the NATIONAL news...well he went to a new england movie theater, and found....

a PIPE ORGAN, Theater organ, took it out, and rebuilt it in his father's basement....we was in like Jr. High....some dad, cool as hell to lend the obvious support to a kid's insanity dream.....the plumbing and wiring was astounding, but you know, in a year or so, Bob had that damn thing running, I about **** my pants....he lived like 8 blocks down and across the road....

my buddy on the site there with all the radio gear, he lived about 6 blocks down and on the other side of the same street....
 
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-...-received-a-full-refund-from-durango_boy.html

WTF? YOU have to explain yourself there and state that D boy finally made good? I would have never done that. This request by the moderators is a downright insult IMO. What an outrage. Let that ******* explain why he tried to steal 770$ from you, THAT would have been proper procedure.

Of the people involved there, YOU should be the last one who has some explaining to do. As a buyer what else can you do but commit and send money? You did that all. The ****** is completely on his end. The cool aid is indeed flowing freely over there.
 
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-...-received-a-full-refund-from-durango_boy.html

WTF? YOU have to explain yourself there and state that D boy finally made good? I would have never done that. This request by the moderators is a downright insult IMO. What an outrage. Let that ******* explain why he tried to steal 770$ from you, THAT would have been proper procedure.

Of the people involved there, YOU should be the last one who has some explaining to do. As a buyer what else can you do but commit and send money? You did that all. The ****** is completely on his end. The cool aid is indeed flowing freely over there.

I ageee....:smash::thumbs:
 
WTF? YOU have to explain yourself there

And of course the thread has been locked so no one can question the sense of the thread. The timing strikes me as funny... Who does this thread benefit? I bet the subject will never be allowed to be discussed again.
 
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c3-...-received-a-full-refund-from-durango_boy.html

WTF? YOU have to explain yourself there and state that D boy finally made good? I would have never done that. This request by the moderators is a downright insult IMO. What an outrage. Let that ******* explain why he tried to steal 770$ from you, THAT would have been proper procedure.

Of the people involved there, YOU should be the last one who has some explaining to do. As a buyer what else can you do but commit and send money? You did that all. The ****** is completely on his end. The cool aid is indeed flowing freely over there.

Unfreaking believable! Red...did you ask them if DB was requested to make a post as well? I think I would have requested that of the mods before you did what they requested of you. In essence...they wanted you to be the one to tell everyone there that DB made a mistake but fixed it with no other explanation. I truly feel bad that you were treated this way and drug through the mud for his ********. J
 
I expected no different. :bonkers:That's why we are here.:1st: Let it be written, that shall never happen here.:yahoo:
 
Hindsight is 20/20.....

you could have posted that thread here and just post a link to it over at CF....

:1st:
 
Well...I PM'd Pewter. He responded with no legitimate answer as to why. He then forwarded it to Crossram. Which also responded with an "explaination" I responded back to both. Pure ********
 
Well...I PM'd Pewter. He responded with no legitimate answer as to why. He then forwarded it to Crossram. Which also responded with an "explaination" I responded back to both. Pure ********

My time on the computer has bee very limited, so let me fill you in. I received a MO from DB, as I stated in an earlier post and have the funds in my account. crossram told me I should be receiving a check soon, this was last week, and asked that I post having received it, after it arrived. After it arrived I had time to reflect on my journey and became angrier. It was only after cooling down some that I was able to swallow hard and get the post out on Sunday. I felt i was taking the high road by doing it. The moderators all got PM's from me explaining my feeling about how it was mishandled by them IMO. I made suggestions on how to avoid a repeat perfromance, but fear it fell on deaf ears. Puter got my thoughts on comments he made before closing the thread. He must not have cared for my suggestions as he suggested i take it up with an administrator. My PM's and suggestions have run their course and I'm done with this issue. It is closed, as I am way too busy and need to focus on other issues. You guys have been right about many things and this is one. What he does over there is no longer my concern. The folks there should be aware of this issue and if they choose to ignore it, so be it.

At this point it appears I will be using Patriot heads sold by Murrays Speed and custom. They have everything as the make believe heads i bought from DB. They are good for up to .580 lift and come complete with guide plates. They have 64 cc chambers and 190 runners. @ $877 I can't go too far wrong and they fit my pocketbook. After TT's pictures of those ugly Ford heads, I checked them out and the cnc machine work is perfect. They guarantee the heads and if they fail or have a defect they will be replaced. I'm starting to gather the information I need, so when the time is right I can move quickly. It will be a couple months before this starts.

This motor is going in a bracket racer, so I'm not interested in making tons of torque. I need to maintain good traction and a consistent performer. Last Saturday I made it to the last eight when the track closed at 2 AM due to the time and cold temperatures. The slower cars had an advantage in those conditions. The track wouldn't hold much power, so power cars went down. I will more than likely post progress in the engine section when the time is right. Thanks again for the support and help through my dark days.:thumbs:
 
I will more than likely post progress in the engine section when the time is right. Thanks again for the support and help through my dark days.:thumbs:

You better! Sounds like an interesting combination:idea:
 
You may have taken the "high road" but I bet it was a lonely one way trip, as you were the only one on it.

He may been point man, but a bunch of artillery coming up behind too....


Red/Mike is cool, us Florida types need shanghai him for some get together or other...

:yahoo:
 
What I don't get is the heavy moderator involvement. Why did CROSSRAM send you a message that you were receiving the refund? That's DBs job.Another DB back pocket mod, one who was instated (and god knows why, he sure knows jack sh!t about these cars and hasn't been a member for very long either) just to strengthen the barricades to protect the golden boy.

Most of these noobs don't even remember the yankee lady times, the times they were running on infopop/madrona park forum software, the zeroforum software...the big forum crash (that wiped out my account too), the times when there were what, 1400 members? They probably don't even know the sensei earl stuff (although what transpired there is right up their alley).....I guess they get what they deserve.
 
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