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  1. SuperBuickGuy

    Plastic Fantastic 2

    yes but? what follows is a thought process - it may sound like a defense, it's not.... as I respect all of you here, I'm listening to your advice.... even if I don't follow it or seem to be argumentative (which I'm not intending to do so)... whew - with that disclaimer I'm 100% certain that...
  2. phantomjock

    Plastic Fantastic 2

    ...inside, but radiator appears to be in vertical mount 5. Air dam to Plywood Splitter - I'll let you "guess-timate" the height above ground 6. Wing is multi-element and appears to be split in mid-span (hmm - an opportunity for active aero?) 7. Cage (not obvious) and no window-net (No, I...
  3. SuperBuickGuy

    Plastic Fantastic 2

    I fully, fully, fully agree. I'll be spending a lot of money on Dynamic Corvette CF parts. They even make doors out of carbon fiber that said, my goal is compete in the outlaw class - because there's no chance this car will weigh anywhere near the 3200 lb minimum. Which may mean I'm...
  4. phantomjock

    Plastic Fantastic 2

    Quick - SWAG (bar-napkin analysis). You probably expect 800 - 1200 pounds in the rear from the wing, is that about what the folks told you? So to keep the nose down - you'll want the same up front - else go "flippy." Those values would be at the 120-ish range I expect. Guessing that your fuel...
  5. mfain

    Plastic Fantastic 2

    ...LS7s pretty much ruled. As a side note, Chris Ramey who had dominated GTV with his C-4 switched to GTL (less than 3200#). He had to remove his wing since it did not fit the GTL rules, and he pretty much got his lunch handed to him. Not sure it was the wing, but he didn't fare well against...
  6. rtj

    Internal Body Aerodynamics

    Pretty interesting, amazing how a CF wing with foam core is so strong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEcfVIVndek
  7. rtj

    Internal Body Aerodynamics

    Lots of engine setback allows rad ducts in the camaro. He’s got the swan neck supports on his wing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSSYUdqx69o
  8. phantomjock

    Plastic Fantastic 2

    ...easier to "tune." You can work the angle and trim its size as required. You'll note Brian Hobaugh and Danny Popp tend to use spoilers and not wings - as does Jake Rozelle and his C5Z Corvette. Clear lexan and a hinge with some struts --"eazy-peasy". Now you know, Big Wings are BAD ASS...
  9. rtj

    Internal Body Aerodynamics

    I guess with the lower speeds involved, he figures the big spoiler on the back is more effective than a wing. It would be interesting to see the downforce/drag vs mph. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X9GgGfbAZo
  10. mfain

    Internal Body Aerodynamics

    ^^^^^^^^^ Pretty amazing. But I had to laugh - with all that hi-tech equipment, when it came time to test the strength of the wing they used a foose ball table to support one end.
  11. mfain

    Internal Body Aerodynamics

    Here is graphic evidence of the downforce that the Viper ACR's wing produces. Start watching from 1:50. https://youtu.be/PUodFjt01CY
  12. rtj

    Internal Body Aerodynamics

    Yes mfain, kind of an interesting video, some sort of startup business. This carbon fiber wing below, is pretty unbelievable. I guess when your r&d budget is huge, anything is possible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rtzM-IUAx8
  13. SuperBuickGuy

    Plastic Fantastic 2

    I think the optical illusion is the start of something great. I've been considering all I've been talking about with an angled radiator and then - after seeing the ductwork on that car, thought, well why don't I put vanes on the back side of the radiator to straighten the airflow? I could...
  14. SuperBuickGuy

    Plastic Fantastic 2

    so there's a much larger discussion about requirements of Optima and SCCA.... suffice to say Ciro Racing is helping then making the wing for my car.... and this is the information they need the tl;dredited find the center line, then make a straight line above it (roof line) an issue that is...
  15. phantomjock

    Internal Body Aerodynamics

    ...of quality - just looking (and curious too). Just guessing - but at that price bet it is fenders, side skirts, lower bumper - and maybe the wing? Front fender flares are more a "traditional look " and not the SpeedHunter versions on the "Bunny." The rears have a cut-out, however...
  16. mfain

    Old Project Revitalized - 56 Track Car

    ...CF close-out panels to smooth the airflow to the radiator and a couple of ducts to take more air to the brakes and shock cooling, plus a small wing behind the center grill bar to add a little downforce and direct some air higher up on the radiator. A short story about my big ole dog. See...
  17. rtj

    Internal Body Aerodynamics

    ...at the beginning of the thread has some aero. Those photos were 10 years ago. I think racers started the technique of supporting the rear wing on the top/pressure surface more recently, it is possible that would benefit a c3 wing (same downforce less drag as the suction surface isn’t...
  18. phantomjock

    Internal Body Aerodynamics

    ...ahead of the rear wheels would most likely be useful here. The rear diffuser looks to be doing its job. Thanks again Pappy. Wet water testing is better/cleaner than sand or flour - easier to wipe down. Wish we had some Wing-Flow to look at too. Maybe next time. Cheers - Jim Florida Tags?
  19. mfain

    Plastic Fantastic 2

    ...end of the splitter and designed to absorb some impact from below without breaking. This splitter extends back to the front axle centerline and has large diffuser tunnels just inboard of the tire on each side. It aero-balances the ACR wing (that produces 2200# of downforce at 177 mph) quite...
  20. SuperBuickGuy

    Plastic Fantastic 2

    ...going to happen and I did get some work done on that front. inside view baffle 1 in other news, old tank has to come out (and brace for the wing, and new battery box for optima battery... I remember this view also going to powder coat the wheels.... I can't force myself to spend 5k on...
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