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Nice job chevy, nice job.
 
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denpo said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz-nO6WvOYw#!

Nice job chevy, nice job.
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That's a cool story......

I remember as a youngster and Dad came home with a new '53 Packard Clipper having gotten rid of his '49 Buick.....so being as I knew a minimal amount about who made what, I asked Dad what his first car was, while on the way to church one morning, it was a T Ford, so I followed up with what was next,...he said a Chevy.....I asked why did he swap to Chevy from Ford....

the folks exchanged glances and Mom snickered.....seems it was 'hard to start, and so it snapped back and broke his wrist.....Kettering electric starter and GM....under Sloan.....


which are remembered more today for....the Sloan Kettering Hospitals...cancer? research I think.....

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Yeah, Chevy's really laying it on - hoping we forget its all Government Motors now. I've driven almost nothing but Chevy's my whole life. I feel absolutely no loyalty to them now. When its time to buy a new car I'll be looking at them all.
 
Kid Vette said:
Yeah, Chevy's really laying it on - hoping we forget its all Government Motors now. I've driven almost nothing but Chevy's my whole life. I feel absolutely no loyalty to them now. When its time to buy a new car I'll be looking at them all.
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I age 67 here, and if somehow this final ride gets tore up, I"m rebuilding it, hell or high water.....that's the way it IS.....I wouldn't buy a new car for anything...they could offer me a ZO6 for ten grand and even finance it....yeh I could make the payments,....but WOOD I?? hell NO@!@!!!:hissyfit::flash:
 
I too am torn here. It seems Chevy has finally recovered and doing some interesting cars but I will not ever buy from Government Motors. What they did was so wrong I can't accept what's going right now.

Kid Vette said:
Yeah, Chevy's really laying it on - hoping we forget its all Government Motors now. I've driven almost nothing but Chevy's my whole life. I feel absolutely no loyalty to them now. When its time to buy a new car I'll be looking at them all.
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GT6Steve said:
I too am torn here. It seems Chevy has finally recovered and doing some interesting cars but I will not ever buy from Government Motors. What they did was so wrong I can't accept what's going right now.

Kid Vette said:
Yeah, Chevy's really laying it on - hoping we forget its all Government Motors now. I've driven almost nothing but Chevy's my whole life. I feel absolutely no loyalty to them now. When its time to buy a new car I'll be looking at them all.
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What did "Government Motors" do to wrong you. Explain it to us folks outside of the compound.
 
Turtle sees no problem with a private company taking taxpayer money to prop up overbloated union medical and pension plans.
 
Ok First I didn't expect my post to turn to GM-bash-party, I just loved the story (real), in the same vein check out the "Norton Project"
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Secondly I think you guys are barking at the wrong tree.
Who did push us all in those troubles playing with fire? Who lost all the money? who got bailed out and is now performing as fine as before the crash while the rest of the economy still stagnate? The freaking "too big" to fail banks.
GM like the other car company is the pumping heart of a big network of industries, R&D, marketing and sales, they are the real too important to fail, because it's real industry, employing real people.

Like Turtle, I never heard about this "public outrage" about GM.
All I could find on the internet about the coined term "Government Motors" links to pretty conservative rhetoric.

The fact are probably here: GM did cost lot of cash to save, but I sincerely thing you're being distracted from the real issues and the real troublemakers.

Frankly I'm even surprised, with all my respect I was expecting the complete opposite from people of your opinions, even if only by patriotism.

Ok, at that point Mr Vette would chime in and say something totally outrageous....
 
denpo said:
Ok, at that point Mr Vette would chime in and say something totally outrageous....
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NOthing outrageous at all, it's just the crooked underhanded Chicago political way that BK was handled for both companies....

and GM was even worse than Chrysler.....the unions won BIG time, and all the bondholders, stock holders took it up the ass....but the UNION pension machine won out with all the liabilities.....sure the stockholders were at risk, fine, they knew that from the git go....which is why it was trading at 4 bux/share at the time....but the BOND holders?? but it is what it is, and the taxpayers have now a losing operation on their hands, as they shuffle the deck chairs on the Titanic.....I just hope some operation that actually knows how to run a car company can manage to salvage the Corvette name when the next go round comes up....and it will.....

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Who cares why GM is/was bankrupt. The fact is they fucked up and did not deserve to be bailed out by the government. It is not American. The government has no role in taking money from you and I to prop up a select corporation.

I too used to only like GM, I never thought I would drive anything but GM. I would not even look at GM when buying a new car now. In my mind they ceased to exist once taking the bailout.
 
Denis, the part you don't get is that GM had a golden opportunity to truly fix the problem by going BK and breaking the stranglehold the union has over them, and us in the form of built in excess cost.
But they never did go bankrupt. Instead they "borrowed" money we didn't offer to loan in order perpetuate the same behavior that got them there in the first place. Did you know that a union janitor for GM earns about $70,000 in annual compensation. A freaking janitor. No wonder they're broke. Jim Perkins said that he was shocked that on his first day as general manager, he realized his biggest task was going to be managing an HMO. That's a problem.
As for the banks, we're absolutely pissed about that to. They just don't make our favorite car. And we're not on a forum about banks.
Not a big fan of the "rich get richer and poor get poorer" argument, but this is a prime example of this filthy rich in bed with politics so we have to support their bad behavior. Capitalist gain, socialist loss.
 
clutchdust said:
Denis, the part you don't get is that GM had a golden opportunity to truly fix the problem by going BK and breaking the stranglehold the union has over them, and us in the form of built in excess cost.
But they never did go bankrupt. Instead they "borrowed" money we didn't offer to loan in order perpetuate the same behavior that got them there in the first place. Did you know that a union janitor for GM earns about $70,000 in annual compensation. A freaking janitor. No wonder they're broke. Jim Perkins said that he was shocked that on his first day as general manager, he realized his biggest task was going to be managing an HMO. That's a problem.
As for the banks, we're absolutely pissed about that to. They just don't make our favorite car. And we're not on a forum about banks.
Not a big fan of the "rich get richer and poor get poorer" argument, but this is a prime example of this filthy rich in bed with politics so we have to support their bad behavior. Capitalist gain, socialist loss.
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I get your point, thanks for sharing.
 
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I have always bought Chevies. I will never have anything else. Of course, I am also a union bastard, so what the he**.
 
The brothers spent 5 years looking for that car...it doesn't matter what car it was....ford, chevy, edsel....still a pretty neat story....and yes, chevy is taking advantage of it....that's called marketing.
 
SmokinBBC said:
The brothers spent 5 years looking for that car...it doesn't matter what car it was....ford, chevy, edsel....still a pretty neat story....and yes, chevy is taking advantage of it....that's called marketing.
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I'm wondering if Chevy did pay to have it restored to nearly brand new state before delivery, if the Impala was showing it's old age it would a been much less glamorous.
 
SmokinBBC said:
The brothers spent 5 years looking for that car...it doesn't matter what car it was....ford, chevy, edsel....still a pretty neat story....and yes, chevy is taking advantage of it....that's called marketing.
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In all the GM hating going on in this thread (me included), some of us have lost sight that this really is a cool story. Really cool of the sons. Five year search, not sure I would have that in me.
 
The way I see it is......I don't feel I have a truly accurate perspective.....is that GM upper management awarded themselves abusive bonus's and GM's labor unions bound GM to overly expensive labor rates (overtime rates) and pension benefits. So the company went bankrupt. The BO administration jumped in and wiped out the stock holders and bond holders. As part of the bankruptcy settlement, they fully funded the union pension funds. For the retired union members this was great. But for the stock holders and bond holders (pension funds for other people, mutual fund holders, etc) they got wiped out.

But, I know personally people who are now employed by GM, or were. Just because the BO administration did all these harmful things, it not reason to shun GM products. The employees at GM need to have their jobs and many of them are "car" people who want to give us a good product.
 
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