And to think I mourned Saturn

73 Mike

I'll drive it someday
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My wife has had a Saturn since 1993. I have always found them to be reliable, relatively easy to work on and a great value for money. They always had quirks and the fit and finish was typical for a NOrth American made car, but we loved them. When she needed a new car, we got her a VUE. It's now old enough that I'm starting to have to do some more involved servicing. This morning, I decided to do replace the thermostat and main hoses. The top hose was a no brainer until I tried to get the top clamp off. Did you know there is a special clamp remover? The top hose must have been installed using a wide range clamp installer with two bends in it. I had to cut the hose to get access to the clamp. Only n hour for that one. No problem.

On to the lower hose. Access to the radiator side clamp is very poor. I was finally able to use channel lock pliers to blindly grab the tangs. I did brake a piece of plastic condiut to get that one off but I've done worse. Once that was off, I ran my hand along the hose to fine the clamp at the other end. Now the real trouble begins.

I pull out the Saturn service manual and read the procedure. Initially, I couldn't find the parts that they were asking to remove because my VUE has the optional 6 cylinder L61 motor, not the 4 cylinder L61 motor in the service manual. :banghead: Quality control must have been sleeping when they printed that one up. Anyways, found the right engine. It begins with "remove the battery and battery box." Oops, must have flipped the page to "Full engine rebuild" rather than "Replace Thermostat." Check back to the description. No, it looks like I need to do this. I could feel the hose run in that direction so I guess it must be right. Start reading that procedure. Calls for removing the under hood fuse panel. You must be f'n shitting me. Remove the fuse panel to replace the thermostat? Really??:skeptic:

Start working through that procedure. Two hours later i have that out. One part of the procedure that I particularly like is that they want me to protect the now totally exposed fuse panel from "Any contaminants." Clearly there shouldn't be any contaminants on an engine right near where I'm draining engine coolant. I'll be amazed if this car ever runs again. :suicide:

The only consolation is that this really isn't a Saturn but rather a GM made car. Unfortunately all of the Saturn folks are out on the street and we paid out of our taxes about a million dollars for every job we saved in Detroit.
 
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Well I got the hoses in and the electrical panel back together. Amazingly it still runs. Once again I was livid about the hoses. I bought the new ones from local Saturn dealer that was closing. After a significant discount they were still more than $50. Not only was the fit terrible but even if they were perfect, the outlet on the engine is slightly larger than the one on the radiator. This is true for both upper and lower. The rad side fits perfectly and I struggled on the engine side with both. Just freeking astounding.
 
Guy across the street has a Saturn SUV thing...unsure of the model/name, but it has a HONDA engine in it.....had some alt troubles....codes and crap....to R&R that alt took 1/2 a day....I HATE FWD anything....

time after time, neighbor after neighbor, with these FWD POS mobiles come to me to bail out their asses.....not that I mind working on a NORMAL CAR....built the way GOD intended, but NO, this fucking bullshit that my wife had to slide under the car, and get her little tiny hand in to plug come stupid wire on a O2? sensor....get real.....not a guy in the hood had a hand small enough.....

at least on my wife's Escort I can get TO most of the shit.....

first thing in the morning, IF the sunshine/temp allow it....

winter sux....


:hissyfit::hissyfit::flash:
 
Gene, you made me think of my old Toyota Avalon. To change two of the back spark plugs, I had to duct tape an extension to a plug socket, guide it into the hole with one arm weaved through the wiiring and then I bought an air ratchet because with the manual one, I could only swing it one click at a time. Those plugs used to take me an hour each. My son would occasionally come outside and steal the shoes off my feet because he knew I wouldn't stop until the plug was out.
 
Gene, you made me think of my old Toyota Avalon. To change two of the back spark plugs, I had to duct tape an extension to a plug socket, guide it into the hole with one arm weaved through the wiiring and then I bought an air ratchet because with the manual one, I could only swing it one click at a time. Those plugs used to take me an hour each. My son would occasionally come outside and steal the shoes off my feet because he knew I wouldn't stop until the plug was out.

You should try the back plugs on a windstar, you have to remove all the cowling crap at the base of the windshield.
 
Gene, you made me think of my old Toyota Avalon. To change two of the back spark plugs, I had to duct tape an extension to a plug socket, guide it into the hole with one arm weaved through the wiiring and then I bought an air ratchet because with the manual one, I could only swing it one click at a time. Those plugs used to take me an hour each. My son would occasionally come outside and steal the shoes off my feet because he knew I wouldn't stop until the plug was out.

You should try the back plugs on a windstar, you have to remove all the cowling crap at the base of the windshield.

That sounds like fun :censored:

Most of the cars that I've had over the past decade or so have long life, platinum plated spark plugs. Universally, these cars ran better after I changed the plugs befoer the service interval. Any justification for these long service intervals is, in my opinion, marketing and rationalization.
 
Anything front wheel drive sucks. Now on my 98 caddy eldo...ah dont get me started.
 
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