Bar Stool Economics

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Our Tax System Explained: Bar Stool Economics


Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:


The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.

The fifth would pay $1.

The sixth would pay $3.

The seventh would pay $7.

The eighth would pay $12.

The ninth would pay $18.

The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. 'Since you are all such good customers,' he said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.' Drinks for the ten now cost just $80. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?'

They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).

The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).

The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).

The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).

The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).

The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).


Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.


'I only got a dollar out of the $20,'declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,' but he got $10!'


'Yeah, that's right,' exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a dollar, too.


It's unfair that he got ten times more than I got' 'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'


'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!'


The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.


The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!


And that, ladies and gentlemen, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.



David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.

Professor of Economics

University of Georgia



For those who understand, no explanation is needed.

For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
 
I'm okay with a flat tax rate. I pay 10-15% now. How about you guys? Sound fair?
 
I think tax's suc and we should not have to pay any at all. That's what i think about it :drink:
 
I'm okay with a flat tax rate. I pay 10-15% now. How about you guys? Sound fair?

How do you get off with 10 to 15 %? Are you including both state and fed? then you could add sales tax. then you could add personal prop tax then you could add co equip tax and I can keep going. there is a lot of cons on a flat tax Who knows. I wish I only paid 10 to 15 %.
 
I'm okay with a flat tax rate. I pay 10-15% now. How about you guys? Sound fair?

How do you get off with 10 to 15 %? Are you including both state and fed? then you could add sales tax. then you could add personal prop tax then you could add co equip tax and I can keep going. there is a lot of cons on a flat tax Who knows. I wish I only paid 10 to 15 %.

I am talking Fed Income only here. I'll double check my rate.
 
I'm okay with a flat tax rate. I pay 10-15% now. How about you guys? Sound fair?

How do you get off with 10 to 15 %? Are you including both state and fed? then you could add sales tax. then you could add personal prop tax then you could add co equip tax and I can keep going. there is a lot of cons on a flat tax Who knows. I wish I only paid 10 to 15 %.

I am talking Fed Income only here. I'll double check my rate.

Please do....and if it's right, send me the name of your accountant!
 
I'm okay with a flat tax rate. I pay 10-15% now. How about you guys? Sound fair?

How do you get off with 10 to 15 %? Are you including both state and fed? then you could add sales tax. then you could add personal prop tax then you could add co equip tax and I can keep going. there is a lot of cons on a flat tax Who knows. I wish I only paid 10 to 15 %.

I am talking Fed Income only here. I'll double check my rate.

Please do....and if it's right, send me the name of your accountant!

I checked again. 11%
His name is Sabri Aziz. University of Cairo.:lol:
 
I'm okay with a flat tax rate. I pay 10-15% now. How about you guys? Sound fair?

How do you get off with 10 to 15 %? Are you including both state and fed? then you could add sales tax. then you could add personal prop tax then you could add co equip tax and I can keep going. there is a lot of cons on a flat tax Who knows. I wish I only paid 10 to 15 %.

I am talking Fed Income only here. I'll double check my rate.

Please do....and if it's right, send me the name of your accountant!

I checked again. 11%
His name is Sabri Aziz. University of Cairo.:lol:

yep we all need one of him...:twitch:
 
A flat federal rate of 11% would be very nice!!!!!!
 
If 10% is good enough for GOD, it ought to be good enough for the government. :drink:
 
It's not the rate, it's the total tax burden.

Consider if you get a cut in your rate, but now you're paying taxes on everything you never paid taxes on before. What did you gain?

It's a shell game.
 
It's not the rate, it's the total tax burden.

Consider if you get a cut in your rate, but now you're paying taxes on everything you never paid taxes on before. What did you gain?

It's a shell game.

Must be the end is nigh....Jsup and me agree on summfin???

but the further point is all them un employed accountants....

simple, take in 100 bux, send us 10......

earn 100 bux, send us 10.....

or just a 10% sales tax...much easier....

:bonkers::eek:h:
 
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